Marth Washington Nonsense Dies $1 Test Piece

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Hobo, Feb 25, 2012.

  1. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    For the last several years when the Mint tests new alloys for coins they use nonsense dies to strike the test pieces. The nonsense dies usually have Martha Washington on the obverse and are dated 1799 (or earlier) so the test pieces will not be confused with a genuine modern coin. I don't think I have ever seen one of these test pieces struck by nonsense dies for sale but one is currently offerred on eBay:

    1999 Martha Washington Test Piece J-2188 NGC MS-62

    This piece can be yours for less than $7,000*.

    * One cent less than $7,000. Plus $3 S/H.
     
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  3. cman

    cman Junior Member

    Thats pretty cool. never knew that!
     
  4. zach67005

    zach67005 Active Member

    Think I recognize the seller. Unique piece or 1 of? ??
    Thanks for the info Hobo.
     
  5. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    It seems rare to even see an image of one of these.
    Wonder how it made it's way into private hands?
     
  6. cciesielski01

    cciesielski01 Laced Up

    i bet either someone at the mint has sticky fingers or it was given to someone as a gift from the mint
     
  7. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    It is definitely not unique... There are maybe a half dozen or so known. I purchased this coin from a customer who's late father owned a vending company and it was in his estate.
     
  8. james m. wolfe

    james m. wolfe New Member

    marthacentsm.jpg marthaquartersm.jpg they made a cent an quarter type
     
  9. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Matt, I did not make the connection that you are the seller. That is definitely a COOL piece. That's why I shared it here.

    Do you have any idea why the two Ns were punched into the fields of the obverse die or what they mean?
     
  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The mint loaned out the dies to outside firms that were doing some of the testing. Most likely the pieces out out from those sources. security would be more lax there. The cent pieces that Wolfe mentioned almost certainly got out by that method because the Mint has said that the Martha dies were not used for testing the copper plated zinc composition, but that is what the "Martha" cents are struck on. Also both Martha cents I have seen have been struck off-center using dime size dies.
     
  11. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Wow!! Thanks for that interesting bit of info.
     
  12. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    They were struck on planchets that did not contain manganese. Since they look identical to the ones that did contain the manganese they punched the "N"s on the obverse to show that they were non-manganese.
     
  13. kookoox10

    kookoox10 ANA #3168546

    So I'm expecting this to be your "interesting find" on episode 36 Coin Show coming up. That's truly...well, can't find the words!!
     
  14. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    See episode 20 ;)
     
  15. Lon Chaney

    Lon Chaney Well-Known Member

    So that date "1759" made me curious, and I checked up on her. It's the year she married George. Also, that old gal was married before, husband died, and she was left a rich widow. Which leads to another realization.
    If that profile on that coin is any indication, she was not an attractive woman. But, if she was a rich widow, that'd be a reason for George to marry her. She didn't need looks if she had money.
     
  16. Danr

    Danr Numismatist

    certainly not 7K worth of cool
     
  17. kookoox10

    kookoox10 ANA #3168546

    I'm heading down in that direction, I'm at episode 27 and working my down. lol
     
  18. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The date may be 1759, but that is not a representation of what Martha looked like in 1759. She was still a young woman at that time and was considered attractive. Here is an image of her a couple years before she married George. This would have been around 1756.

    MarthaWashington.jpg
     
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