FUN 1797 Cartwheel Penny for the GB Penny Type Collection

I’ve been slowly acquiring Great Britain Pennies in an attempt to complete a major type collection of the milled large penny 1797 to 1970. The last coin needed to complete the collection just came from the FUN show last week. This puppy weighs in at a full one ounce of copper. Many of these cartwheel coins are found with dents on the rims from being dropped at some time. This one appears to have been kept pretty clean of dents & bruises. The coin is raw but a slab will protect it from future dents & contamination.

The photo was taken using a hotel florescent desk lamp. The coin is now with NGC so this photo is all I have for a couple months. I’ll post the grade when NGC returns the coin. We can all guess the grade in the mean time.

 

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Wow! That's nice! Great detail on it.:thumb:

 

Beautiful, congrats!

 

Swag

It was a nice original coin in hand. I guess that NGC will give it MS63BR.

 

Definitely a gorgeous coin my friend!! I am impressed, especially since you took the photo with no more than a hotel desk lamp, and it looks great!!! (the coin and the photo)


I will be interested to hear what she grades. MS63BR sounds like a good guess Collect89 , I too would guess, but I am a notoriously bad 'guesser'. Best of luck!

 

definitely a superb example of one of my favourite coins of all time, i would grade it at aunc but please please don't put it in a plastic coffin, try a tray or similar to preserve the coin.

 

Still would love a example of one of these, just one of the few types of coins I am slow to get. Its a beautiful coin & congrats on the pickup.

 

64rb

 

This is how the milled penny type collection got completed. The coins are pretty well matched & go from brown to red-brown to red. I don't believe that I have photos depicting all of them.

1797 George III Cartwheel (Raw Brown Unc)
1806 George III (Raw Brown Unc)
1825 George IV (Raw Brown Unc)
1831 William IV NGC63BN
1858 Victoria NGC MS63BN
1892 Victoria PCGS MS63RB
1900 Victoria Mature Bust Left PCGS MS63RB
1901 Victoria Mature Bust Left (Raw Red Unc) = extra
1904 Edward VII PCGS MS63RB
1921 George V PCGS MS64RB
1937 George VI (Raw Red Unc)
1937 George VI (Raw Red Proof) = extra
1953 Elizabeth II (Raw Red Unc)
1967 Elizabeth II (Raw Red Unc)

 

It's amazing that beauties like that are still out there in raw condition. Good find!

I don't have a lot of high-end coppers or bronzes in my collection, but I'm curious if they suffer from counterfeiting to the same degree that silver majors do. Does anyone have a feel for the relative safety of buying a raw high-grade 18th century cent vs a raw high-grade 19th century 50 cent/50 centavo/50 centimes?

 

Nice coin. I have a couple of well circulated examples that I've picked up over the years. STill want to get an inexpensive 2 pence of the same year and type - those things are HUGE!

 

Forgot to mention -----

I purchased this 1D cartwheel from a UK vendor at the FUN show. He mentioned that the coin was part of the C.W. Peck Collection which sold in 1970. He didn't offer any documented proof of the provenance. Is it possible to review photos from that auction today? Peck is kind of famous for his writings. It would be great to tie that kind of provenance to this coin with some kind of documentation.

 

Beautiful coin! It is one of my favorite coins. I love the history behind why it ended up being so big.

 

Here's a post about the cartwheel penny, I remember reading about on cointalk!
http://www.cointalk.com/t37357/

 

Actually, the new pennies were an outrage in some circles as proof of inflation. Pennies in the past had been silver, (hence their abbreviation d, for denarius, a Roman silver coin). They hadn't been struck for quite a while, so these new pennies in copper were proof of the pound declining. To be fair all currencies were declining, but it really upset some people.

I have a few of these and the twopence, but (much) lower condition. Very pretty coin Collect89!

 

ms 63 bn

NGC has returned the coin today. The label states: 1797SOHO G.BRITAIN PENNY MS 63 BN

 

WOW! That's awesome!

 

i love cartwheels, especially when they are preserved in a tray as opposed to a plastic coffin.

 

Just saw this thread - a very nice penny you have there! Not too many, as you say, in that condition. I'd like one like that too! At the moment, I'm working on completing my C20th Unc 1d collection ... I'm back as far as 1910 in a full run, with gaps at just 1903/04/05/06/08 and 09.

 

Wow. This sounds like a really nice set.
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