PCGS 1939-D Walking Liberty Half

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When Doug dies and is facing St. Peter at the pearly gates and he tells Doug that he can't let him into heaven because Doug never admitted that he was wrong, Doug plans to tell him "that's not true and I am not going to argue with you since you won't change your mind anyway".

 

Seems like he did.

 

You forgot to include the 1,000 word dissertation that followed where he argued that he wasn't wrong.

 

I didn't forget to include it because it doesn't exist in the post I quoted from.

It's 118 words, and a description of what he's seeing in the OP's pics.

Post #20, if you don't believe it.

 

I am surprised with all the brown nosing that you are doing that you didn't recognize his sarcasm in that post. But hey, since you want to be a part of the debate, why don't you step to the plate and give us your opinion on the subject?

 

Brown nosing eh?

All right. You asked for it.

PCGS blew it big time on this grade, and not because Doug said the same thing but rather that's MHO.

This coin is way over graded.

 

Really? In your first post in this thread you didn't seem to know. You were torn between AU & MS. You clearly noticed wear but still thought the coin had the look of an MS coin. Only now after Doug has made his dissertation are you positive the coin is AU. BTW, what is your experience with grading Walking Liberty Half Dollars?

 

You should quit affirming the possible affirmation of another soul. Even though you may be correct, your words can't be physically proven as correct; therefore, they become irrelevant. Furthermore, you were the individual that commenced the argument.

If you believe that it is extremely clear, then there's no necessity for a reiterative emphasis.

You are correct, in this occasion, because it is not an opinion--it is a logical fallacy. (Second clarification: a fact, in certain sense, doesn't necessarily signify something veridical.)

In triple sense: nothing complicates itself, nor can it be complicated. Consequently, you may be washing your hands. My anterior sentence acquires more vitality, especially after considering that you initially attacked with "roll friction exists".

Degree of consistency is a base that may help to maintain a TPG alive. On the other hand, "roll friction" is your anxiolytic subdivision that is worth less than redwin117's cent on dime.

Excluding that GDJMSP has adequately proven inconsistencies by TPGs, I will mention the following: simply because someone may not attempt to define something with grand exactitude, it won't necessarily signify that the creature doesn't comprehend the work with tremendous efficacy.

A natural exhibition of rigidity can be quite distinct from the recognition and propagation of naturalness of the species. Nonetheless, the following things finalize cushioning any degree of inflexibility: consistency, defense, and tactic.

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If you would like, I'm disposed to interchange words via private messaging.

 

Actually what I said is the grade would fall between AU and LOW MS.

Not torn between anything.

Where have I stated that I now think the coin is AU?

No where. All I stated was PCGS blew the grade on this one big time.

I think you need reading comprehension training, seriously.

 

So you think the coin grades in a range between AU and Low MS but can't state definitively which grade it actually is. All you know is that PCGS blew it with their grade of MS65. To me, and to Doug, blowing the grade big time would mean that the coin is definitely AU. At least Doug had the balls to make a decision. You are just hedging your bets because you don't know what you are talking about.

Perhaps you can explain in detail why you think the coin is AU to Low MS? And while you are at it, please provide your experience with grading and handling Walking Liberty Half Dollars!

 

Enough distracting marks obverse side, and wear both sides it shouldn't have a mid MS grade to it.

I've been grading coins, in hand I might add(a far cry from doing it from online images and no one, I mean absolutely no one can do from online images with any degree of certainty), since my early 20s, started collecting at age 14.

I just turned 49 this week.

How much experience do you have grading coins not seen in hand, but from online images?

 

There are no major marks on the coin posted by the OP. Based solely on surface preservation, the coin is at least MS64. If you believe there is wear on both sides of the coin, then you have only one recourse, to grade it AU. Can you explain why you would grade a coin with wear MS?

I didn't ask you about your overall grading experience, I asked about your experience with the series in question, Walking Liberty Half Dollars. In the late 90's before I developed a passion for rainbow toned coins and before the majority of investment grade coins were graded, I attempted to assemble a short set of Walking Liberty Half Dollars by purchasing raw coins and submitting them for grading to PCGS. Needless to say, I learned the difference between wear and roll friction the hard way. Please answer my question: what is your experience with handling and grading Walking Liberty Half Dollars?

 

If you can not see the contact marks all over the obverse, including above the motto, and no those are not surface scratches on the holder, they are most definitely contact marks in the coin itself, which I noticed without holding my mouse over the image to blow it up, then you need either glasses or more refining of your "online image grading". If you like, I'll be more than happy to point out those marks, which were the first things I noticed on the obverse image.

Overall grading experience has much to do with an individual series. Obviously you disagree, but it is what it is.

So basically, you're saying that anyone who submits raw coins regularly is more experienced in that series than someone who doesn't?

Hogwash!

I don't submit coins for numerous reason but I'll tell you just a few:

1. My collections is just that, a collection. Not an investment for quick flipping.

2. High priced opinions nothing more. I can get free opinions on grades from a consortium of local dealers anytime. No postage, insurance, or opinion fees.

3. Except for authentication, the coin is what it is regardless of what a label states. It's purely marketing more than anything else.

What do you think us old timers did back in the day before the TPGs? The original Sheldon scale worked just fine for all of us. The fractional numbers now placed on coins is meaningless except to those who are flippers or are praying their backsides off for the loosely used 70 on the label, which in and of itself is nothing more than marketing.

In the long run, the coin is what it is, not because the TPG says so.

I'm willing to bet if the OP cracked this coin out of it's current holder, resubmitted it, the grade would be different, and quite possibly more realistic than it is.

End of story.

 

This section is for what the coins are worth, not your egos.

 

Even coins graded at the premium gem levels have contact marks. This coin is not riddled with marks as you would have people believe. There are some light marks on the obverse and the reverse is very clean. Are you really so arrogant that you think that PCGS can't recognize simple contact marks? There is a simple truth which you can't see because you are so busy trying to defend your moronic statements. This coin can only have one of three grades (MS65, MS64, AU58). Either the coin is accurately graded and is indeed an MS65, or the marks are little too much for the grade and it is a high end MS64. The only other option is that the wear deemed "roll friction" by the TPG is actually circulation wear and the coin should be AU58. There is no way possible that this coin is low MS.

Yes it does, but it only provides a base. It does not equip you to handle the intricacies of series. If you don't have experience with Walkers, it is very difficult to discern "roll friction" from circulation wear. In my chosen series, Jefferson Nickels, it is very difficult to discern contact marks from planchet flaws. Are you getting the point? You need experience with most series to be an accurate grader of that chosen series.

I never said that at all. Since I was asking for your credentials related to the series, I felt it prudent to post my own. Nothing more!

1. So What!
2. Dealer opinions are self serving which is why the market place demands a THIRD party grade.
3. That is your opinion, one not shared by most in the numismatic community. Not surprising though considering who your mentor is Gilligan.

I will take that bet. You have claimed that the coin is low MS. I think the coin is MS64/65. I bet $500 that the coin comes back a minimum of MS64.

 

The suspense is killing me!

 

I believe it was on the second page where I posted it was PCGS MS65