Coin from middle ages!

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by coldphatz, Feb 18, 2012.

  1. coldphatz

    coldphatz New Member

    I was given this coin as a gift, and know little about it. Can anyone tell me its approximate age, history and some idea of its value?Thank you. heart brave coin 001.JPG heart brave coin 002.JPG
     
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  3. swish513

    swish513 Penny & Cent Collector

    too blurry of pics, but i'd guess based upon the pics that it's either an imitation edwardian pence, or a fake. could be an imitation of edward i, ii, or iii.
     
  4. coldphatz

    coldphatz New Member


    The person who gave me the coin has a sister who owned stock in a treasure ship that went down around the Florida Keys a very long time ago. The name of the ship was the Atocha (sp). The sister got a share of all the coins found buried on the ship, and gave my friend one. So I'm sure it is not a fake. I did bring it in to a coin dealer and was told that it was authentic, but the dealer only is interested in American coins
     
  5. swish513

    swish513 Penny & Cent Collector

    authentic what??? no additional info given??? hmmm...

    and i said IMITATION, which does not mean counterfeit or fake. imitation in this case means made in another country in the 13th or 14th century that was not england. belgium, the netherlands, and other countries, known as the low countries of europe, made imitations of edwardian pence. sorry for not clarifying this.

    that being said, what are the odds that a 14th century coin from england or the low countries would end up on a 16th century spanish treasure ship bound from the "new world" for the "old world?" slim to none.

    if you would like, i can point out several reason based on your blurry pictures as to why it is not an edwardian pence. i can't rule out an imitation, as i can't rule out an outright fake.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I see no signs of that coin having ever been in salt water so I have to discount that part of the story.

    As to whether it is genuine or not, can't tell either way based on those pics. But even if it is genuine, it has no value to speak of really. The coins are pretty common. It would be worth a few bucks but that's about it.
     
  7. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I would disagree with it worth only a few bucks if authentic. These pennies are pretty expensive nowadays especially in that condition. Now I will defer to Swish on authenticity, and would suggest the OP post closer up pics to help Swish check the coin out. I am just saying if authentic these can be worth well over $100 and up.
     
  8. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Hello Coldphatz,

    If your camera has a macro selection, then try using it for your close-up coin photos. Take the photo as close to the coin as your camera's focus will allow. After taking the photo, crop it so that you post only the coin & not so much background. With better photo quality, the folks at CT can make better analysis of your coin(s). Please keep the photos & questions coming.
     
  9. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I agree with Chris, these coins are fairly expensive even in low grades yet they are very common as Doug mentions.

    From the photos, the coin does look OK but I dont believe the sunken ship story either.

    It looks like a Edward I AR Penny.
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    To me, $100 is a few bucks.
     
  11. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    got a couple bucks I can bum?
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    My point Randy is this. People post here all the time asking about the value of coins. Thinking, hoping that they are suddenly about to get rich. Or at least come into a substantial sum. $100 is enough to take your wife or girl to a nice dinner or send the kids (4 kids) to a movie. It's not what I'd consider a substantial sum. Sure it's nice to have, but ya can't really do much with it.

    That's my definition of a few bucks.
     
  13. swish513

    swish513 Penny & Cent Collector

    edward pennies are very common, and can be purchased for under $100.

    however, the reverse of this coin doesn't match edward pennies. it reads CIVITAS ???ROS, or ???ROA. i can't make it out, even blown up. there is no mint used by edward that the reverse legend ends with that combination of letters.
    panel 1.JPG

    also, the second angle appears to have extra pellets in it. edward pennies only have trefoils.
    panel 2.JPG

    it could be from a bad pic, or it could be extra pellets. either way, you combine the two things and it rules out being an edward penny.
     
  14. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Well my only experience is a penny in that state of apparent preservation is scarcer than typically found, (at least where I shop), and bring higher prices than the typical $30 coins. I see coins in lower condition than that, (of common rulers), regularly bring over $100. I do not have the knowledge of these like Swish to authenticate it.

    Doug, my fault if I misinterpreted "a couple of bucks". When I think of prices like that, I am thinking more like common late roman bronzes that bring $10-15.

    Chris
     
  15. coldphatz

    coldphatz New Member


    i hope that will help!
     

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