eBay seller and a slabbed coin.

I just noticed that they very recently added a "note" to that rule. I wonder why they chose 1980?

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/currstamps.html

I don't think this minor technicality justifies the OP's actions, though.

 

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Are you seriously asking me why eBay does anything? I have enough trouble trying to understand haw they enforce their rules. I mean their requirement of "grading company, grade, and certification number should easily be readable" should mean stock photos of slabs and listings for multiple items should not be permitted, but they generally are.

 

I just did a search on ebay for NGC MS 62 1884 O Morgans

Cheapest listed is $ 59.95, so maybe the OP got a fair deal on this one.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=1884+O+morgan+NGC+MS+62

 

Lol, I was hoping someone would know of some reason for the date, and it wasn't just eBay being eBay.
Plus I thought you'd know if ebay threw numbers against the wall, or used a grab-bag for these types decisions.

 

Then why didn't you contact the seller and inquire while the auction was active?

For crying out loud people, why do you think eBay has the Ask a Question link on auction and BIN listings on their site?

 

Unenforced Rules

You are correct that eBay has a seemingly illogical rule for virtually everything. You don't need to look hard to find a blatant unenforced example of an eBay client that has probably been harmed in the past by someone using an image of his property for a transaction similar to that which I cited from personal experience. An incident in which eBay actually violated their own policies to remove/destroy evidence that would assist in the apprehension/prosecution of the perpetrator. Here is a current
example of blatant violation of a seemingly ridiculous rule:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-W-50-1-2oz-Platinum-Proof-Eagle-PCGS-PR70-/180788837803?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item2a17dabdab

Reasonable sellers will supply an item registration number to an inquiring potential purchaser, where it has been recorded prior to sale completion. It is because of eBay culpability in incidents as I cited that damaged or potentially harmed entities have gone beyond reasonable requests to generate legislation. The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) should circumvent the stifling systems that eBay/PayPal and other greedy internet entities have generated, potentially allowing immediate justice for aggrieved by government closure of violating sites.

The new legislation, long overdue, should circumvent the past actions by these large entities, where class action litigation and justice has been seemingly thwarted by out of court settlement payments to the plaintiff counsel. This process allowed unreasonable requirements for individual proof of harm and disallowed future actions by the aggrieved. The new legislation, heartily fought by internet entities, could possibly bring sanity back to the violating sites.

Just my humble opinion. :thumb:

 

First off you paid $10-15 dollars more than these go for on tuesday teletrade auctions. I bought some MS62's for around $40 last month, second of all, you really need to learn that you are being absurd with these posts.

 

You folks are being too hard on the buyer here, and/or too easy on the seller. While the buyer should have addressed this issue ahead of time, under Ebay rules, the seller is required to show images of both sides of the coin and the holder.

 

I agree with what you say Mark; however, the buyer, should have contacted the seller and asked before bidding on the item.

Would you bid on a slabbed coin on eBay that does not have a clear photo of the cert #?

This is not the first time Detecto has started a thread similar to this one either.

EDITED: Here's a link to another thread in which the OP won an eBay auction, and then expected the seller to wait additional time for payment to be made.

http://www.cointalk.com/t198066/

 

I agree that the buyer should have contacted the seller before bidding, hence my "While the buyer should have addressed this issue ahead of time..." But that doesn't excuse the seller from complying with Ebay rules.

In answer to your question, I would only bid on a slabbed coin without a clear image of the cert, if the seller appeared to be highly reputable and at a price that would insulate me from an unpleasant surprise.
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I'm not saying the seller is without blame in this at all, and I agree they should follow eBay rules regarding listing requirements.

As I stated, this is not the first time Detecto has started a thread that is similar in circumstances as this.

See the link I provided in post #49.

In that instance, he won an auction, and expected the seller to wait additional time for payment to be tendered. No doubt the seller, and reasonably so, expected payment to be made within a day or two from the auction closing.

I'm being hard on Detecto because I, for one, am hoping that he learns he has to be more responsible in his dealings.

It would be completely different if he walked into a coin shop and expected the dealer to wait a week for payment on the coin. The dealer would probably tell him to come back when he has the money, and certainly would sell the coin to someone has the money right then and there.

It reminds of the Popeye cartoon, 'I'll pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today."

The seller, no doubt has been assessed the standard eBay fees for the auction closing, and now has to re-list the item, if Detecto hasn't tendered his payment. It's just a headache sellers should not have to endure.

 

So, at this point, wait for the coin and if you're unhappy, return it. If it was advertised as a certain grade but arrives as different grade, then you have every right to return it. I think you're jumping the gun on forfeiting the sale before the item even arrives. Next time, look over all the details and pictures before agreeing with the sale of the item by bidding on it or clicking on the buy it now button. You are obligated to just buy it at this point until you get the item in hand for further inspection.

 

Fair points.

 

+1 if the item was listed as an NGC coin and for whatever reason you don't get one then you simply file a not as described claim and you will be covered.

 

Detecto,

Do you even read the responses you get to your posts?? Like BU said, this isn't the first time you questioned an auction after you won the bid. You are obligated to pay the man. Just do it.

Mark,

I disagree. While the seller may have violated an eBay rule, he is not at fault for this particular problem. Detecto had ample opportunity to view the auction and ask the seller any questions he may have had. He did not. Had the seller then refused to supply the requested information (which we don't know, since the question was never asked) then no bid should have been placed. So don't blame the seller for this. This is all Detecto.

He has made at least one other post about having buyer's remorse, or whatever he calls this. He has been given a ton of advice in nurmerous threads he started about both eBay and live auction bidding, yet he continues to make the same mistakes. Not sure what kind of phone he has, but both my Droid X and Droid Razr have large enough screens to view eBay's mobile web site and photos. I wouldn't consider looking at eBay on any other phone, but that's my poor eyesight. To spend any significant money on an item you view through a screen smaller than three inches is not very responsible. Sniping is one thing, but bidding at the last minute without doing your research is another.

 

You would be covered by eBay buyer protection.
At any rate, the time for questions is BEFORE you bid, not after the auction ends.
Please post your eBay handle so I can prevent you from ever bidding on any of my auctions.

 

An AU58 coin can be impossible to distinguish from MS with the typical photo on the bay.
I've seen plenty of MS62 coins that had good eye appeal (albeit ICCS graded Canadian coins).
But that makes be wonder: which would you rather have in your collection and AU58 or an MS60?

 

The listing violates eBay regs by not showing the certification #.
The winner of the auction has an eBay star rating of 2 (yes, that's right TWO) and sounds like a seller's nightmare.

 

So, with that type of response, are you buying the graded slab or the coin? Sounds to me like you're paying for the graded slab, not the coin. I think we covered this in one of your past similar posts as well. I think you need to step out of the logic of worrying about the grade or slab and start buying the coin instead, you'll worry less and likely be happy with your purchases instead of worrying about if the slab is gonna show up not meeting your expectations.

 

With a slight bit of detection, I found Detecto's eBay handle and checked his feedback left for others.
One is a positive with negative comment and the other is just a straight out negative.
I've blocked him.