A eBay seller we need to shut down!

I will just copy and paste this from the eBay forum. I am the author of this.

We all need to pitch in and report the seller coinsrockgems1.

coinsrocksgems1 used to go by numismaticbureau

As you may or may not know, all coins slabbed by a company called "International Numismatic bureau", were done by the eBay seller numismaticbureau, now known as coinsrocksgems1.

As you may or may not know, these coins are not legitimately graded. Several "Gem Proof" and "MS70" coins have been examined and major flaws exist within these coins that do not allow them to earn this grade. I am not alone on this finding.

Some coins even had large, obvious nicks on them, most likely from being tossed into a bag.

In June 14, of 2011, numismaticbureau changed their eBay user ID to coinsrockgems1. You can see this change by going to this user's ID history.

Now this seller is at it yet again.

They are "unsearched" rolls of coins, these rolls are NOT unsearched, they are rolls put together by the seller themselves.

They take average coins, and put a low grade "semi-key" on the end of it, making it look like better coins will be in this roll.

Now this seller has been advertising lots of coins with.

"Very nice collection of coins found and more".

"KERNEL'S BOX OF COINS FOUND HIDDEN ROOM+COPY COINS 1"


"GORGEOUS LOT OF COLLECTIBLE COINS RECENTLY FOUND"

They are not collections, they are not old "hoards", they are not even found!

These are ALL collections put together by the seller themselves.

They purchase old treasure chests, cigar boxes, etc, and fill them with their "self-slabbed" coins, and several other common ones.

Then they photograph it making it look like an old coin collection, to dupe people into checking out their listing.

We decided not to sell these to all the local dealers who really want them.
Which is another big lie, no dealer ones old, common, low grade coins.

I think all eBay members should pitch in and report this seller.

They are an INSULT to the numismatic community, and their listings need to be pulled, and this seller banned from selling on eBay.


Now for cointalk, we should report each and everyone of this seller's listings, and make sure they no longer sell!

 

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Good luck!! That sleazy company has been online for many years and same as a couple other's seem immune to ebay's rules. I'm just sayin' good luck buddy!!

 

If we all pitch in and report their listings, they make take notice. I am asking everyone at coin talk to report them. Strength in numbers!

 

Report them for what. Can you cite an ebay policy violation or provide a link.

 

Well here are a couple:

Certified coins
When listing a certified coin, the coin must be certified by one of the following authorized grading companies:

• Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC)
• Numismatic Conservation Services (NCS)
• Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS)
• Independent Coin Graders (ICG)
• American Numismatic Association Certification Service (ANACS)

If the coin listed is not certified by one of these grading companies, the coin is considered raw and uncertified and is subject to additional requirements for sale.

Now let's get more specific, here are some they ARE in violation of. (in red).

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• You're not allowed to include conflicting or misleading product information in a listing. For example, if you're offering a refurbished item, you can't describe the condition as "New" in item specifics.
  
• You can't include pictures that don't accurately represent the item for sale.
  
• You can't include comments that discourage buyers from participating or that could make them lose trust in eBay sellers and our website. For example, we don't allow statements like "eBay holds me to a standard well above 4 stars. 4 stars will get me suspended, so please only leave 5 stars."
  
• You're not allowed to use eBay's PowerSeller or Top-rated seller icons or similar artwork and expressions because they would make these seller badges less valuable and less effective.
  
• Don't include references to the PowerSeller or Top-rated seller programs in your listing descriptions, listing templates, About Me pages, My World pages, or Store pages.
  
• Don't use phrases like "top rated seller," "top seller," "trusted seller," or other similar terms. (If you're a Top-rated seller, a prominent Top-rated seller badge will appear in your listings.)
  

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i think they should ban 3rd world slabbs

 

Certified coins​

When listing a certified coin, the coin must be certified by one of the following authorized grading companies:​

• Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC)
• Numismatic Conservation Services (NCS)
• Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS)
• Independent Coin Graders (ICG)
• American Numismatic Association Certification Service (ANACS)

If the coin listed is not certified by one of these grading companies, the coin is considered raw and uncertified and is subject to additional requirements for sale.

Now let's get more specific, here are some they ARE in violation of. (in red).

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[TD="class: cms_table_tCell"]What not to do[/TD]
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• You're not allowed to include conflicting or misleading product information in a listing. For example, if you're offering a refurbished item, you can't describe the condition as "New" in item specifics.
  
• You can't include pictures that don't accurately represent the item for sale.
  
• You can't include comments that discourage buyers from participating or that could make them lose trust in eBay sellers and our website. For example, we don't allow statements like "eBay holds me to a standard well above 4 stars. 4 stars will get me suspended, so please only leave 5 stars."
  
• You're not allowed to use eBay's PowerSeller or Top-rated seller icons or similar artwork and expressions because they would make these seller badges less valuable and less effective.
  
• Don't include references to the PowerSeller or Top-rated seller programs in your listing descriptions, listing templates, About Me pages, My World pages, or Store pages.
  
• Don't use phrases like "top rated seller," "top seller," "trusted seller," or other similar terms. (If you're a Top-rated seller, a prominent Top-rated seller badge will appear in your listings.)
  

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then in this case aboncom should be band and fined 177468)​

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I looked at some of his listings and he never puts a grade in the discription. Just because his fake plastic slab has a grade on it, doesn't mean he is selling it at that grade. I think that may be how he is getting around that.

 

You may also want to look at the post by op fall guy, also in the Coin Chat Forum: "It's hard to believe people are still falling for this". It was put up yesterday at 5:01 pm.

 

Sorry, but he is not violating any of those rules.
He is not selling certified coins.
His descriptions are not misleading. i,e, he does not say he is selling certified coins or silver clad dimes.
His pictures are better than most out there.

Just because you do not like the way he does business does not mean that you can just say shut him down. He is no worse than any used car salesmen or even as bad as their (used car) reputation would lead you to believe.

 

I say, ignore the seller and move on. If and when this seller is taken offline, then you might as well move on to the next seller doing this. It would be never ending and would almost be a full time job, without getting paid.

 

This is another scam artist to beware of!! He almost had me until I noticed he blocks the item description in the feedback! and hes been selling those things for months I can't believe people are falling for it!


http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-BOOK-BANK-FULL-COINS-PAPER-MONEY-ESTATE-/180793696589?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item2a1824e14d

 

Most of these guys know how to get around the rules. I believe the eBay policy states when listing a "certified" coin they mean in the listing title. I do not think you can list "a coin", show a picture in a slab, and violate eBay's regulation on "listing certified coins". By that I mean I can't title a listing as "OCG (Omahaorange Coin Guaranty) MS-70 quarter. I can list the coin as a quarter, and showing a photo of that coin in a slab with an OCG label does not violate the policy. As long as I don't mention the OCG or assigned grade, I am in compliance.

You're also walking on thin ice by this statement:

They are not collections, they are not old "hoards", they are not even found!

These are ALL collections put together by the seller themselves.

They purchase old treasure chests, cigar boxes, etc, and fill them with their "self-slabbed" coins, and several other common ones.
Then they photograph it making it look like an old coin collection, to dupe people into checking out their listing.

Can you prove these statements? I know what they look like, and I'm not saying they're not valid assumptions, but you've made an accusation without concrete proof (opinions do not count as proof). This is the same as "unsearched rolls". We all know those don't really exist, but can you truely prove that the seller didn't pull the keys? Can you really prove the seller did place the gold piece on the end of the roll? Did I really get ripped off if I bought the roll for around the going rate? Even if I didn't score a key date? Is it the seller's fault if I pay an exhoritant amount for common date coins in an "unsearched roll", or is my greed at finding a key date for dirt cheap to blame?

It's one thing to discuss among ourselves the pros and cons of falling for these ads. It's also okay to educate your family and friends. But when you make an open call to "shut down" someone, you best be able to back it up with facts, not opinions.

 

Detecto. These ads are pretty blatenly obvious no?

 

You really have to watch how you say things especially when you're accusing someone like this who has been doing this type of marketing for a long time. You can bet he knows where the line is both in his selling and when someone is accusing him of being unethical. You may get a letter/email from a lawyer. Just say'n.

 

omahaorange,
To be technically correct, you actually can mention OCG's grade in the description, but not in the title. However, you cannot say the coin is either certified or graded in title or description. Don't ask! I did not write the rules.

 

Take a look at this listing.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PIPER-CUB-BOX-COINS-FOUND-HIDDEN-ROOM-COPY-COINS-1-/220932066564?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item337093cd04#ht_11014wt_1270

The FACT...is that they bought the paper money and stamps for that auction. CHECK THEIR FEEDBACK, it clearly shows them buying these from another seller.

The FACT is that the story is they made up is false. They have been using the grandfather clock in their listings for over a YEAR.

Take a look at this:

More things are sure to follow, but we are starting off with the contents of the GRAND FATHER CLOCK.


However ever "follows" does it. They have used this grandfather clock for over a year. How can they keep putting up all these listings up with contents of the clock? The clock can't hold that much.

So the FACT, is that that they have made this story up.

 

I just made a similar thread about this seller with his mysterious clock that produces dozens of boxes of coins. I posted it because I couldn't believe people were that dumb. His descriptions aren't even that misleading. He even states some of the coins will be "copy" coins. He puts up long winded descriptions that people are too lazy to read and their eye goes right to the big pictures of Morgan's, Seated Liberties etc... I made the thread, not to shut the guy down because realistically it's not going to happen, but just to point out how stupid some people really are to buy this stuff.

 

It's obvious the story is fiction. I've heard some fantastic stories when I was in the antiques business from people trying to get the highest price possible for their items they were trying to sell to me. They can't be arrested for that. You just ignore their song and dance and look at the item for what it is.

 

Ya but this crap needs to go. I remember when I could go online to eBay and find many listings of nice coins without having to wade through the crap like this seller puts up.