English Shilling collectors?

1826?

 

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Unfortunately in the States one rarely sees them nice. "60" and often 61 grades and occasionally 62 in the US can denote a worn coin using the progressive grading system. No need to spend thousands of dollars for a circ one.

I don't recall ever seeing one in a dealer's tray over here. I have dealt with Spink's in the past but isn't that overkill for such a thing? Also, I wish to pay a "reasonable" price.

 

Hmm, sounds like an excuse for a trip to London! LOL. Seriously there are many lower level dealers that likely could serve.Perhaps Coin and Medal news have some dealers that might oblige?

 

Mostly Smooth MS grades are an inherent problem when taking a statement of fact (Mint State) and trying to divide it into 11 varieties. An honest definition of mint state would be preferable, as most MS Coins aren't M(int) S(tate). It doesn't have to be slabbed. This is the one I've just sold. There's a slight amount of rubbing to Britannia's breast, and a small mark to the neck, but I've seen much worse 64s.


As for a 'reasonable' price, that is in the eye of the beholder.

 

Anyway, back to shillings.
Edward VI 6 oz shilling with mm. Y. The reverse die has the mark struck over a G, which was originally produced for coins struck at York, but this never happened and the dies were recycled to all the other mint locations, suitably overmarked. This one was struck at Southwark.


And this one with Arrow over G was struck at the Tower


Here's a George I 1724 shilling with WCC below the bust indicating the silver was supplied by the Welsh Copper Company.


1697 E over N below the bust.

 

Truly impressive 16th and 17th Century specimens there. I may be able to match you with 20th C. perhaps - a few bits to come....

 

Here are the few presently in my collection.

 

That's a very nice piece and is very useful to see. It's probably around the quality that I'm looking for. If you have a hi-res photo could you email or message it to me? Baldwin's currently has a specimen that shows more original red/orange but also quite some wear.

I have a few shillings, the oldest being an Eliz-I issue of 1560-61. I'll have to find and photograph it.

 

Like Baldwins, BTW have you checked Colin Cooke?

Meanwhile, more 20th C shillings:



Guess what this one is!!



This is ex-Pretoria Mint. This is a matte proof 1927 shilling…..

more to come

 

Super nice!

Any there any more shillings with special designations? I know of the Anne VIGO, George II Lima and now George I wCC.

Just find the history really cool.

 

No competition in the 20th century whatsoever. I've basically got a type selection and the odd proof here and there. The only extra is an example of a blocked die, and don't have an image to hand.

 

The only others are plumes signifying Welsh silver, Roses for English, elephant below for silver from the Guinea company, and SSC for the South Sea Company. An example of the latter is earlier in this thread. Don't have an elephant shilling and the George II shown earlier had both Roses and Plumes on the reverse indicating both sources of metal used.

 

Are you referring to this coin? The plumes are obvious, so the rises are the crossed C's?



And this is the SSC right?



I will have to look up the elephant variety.

Very cool and helpful!

 

Many thanks. Out of curiosity, why were examples given to Wood's widow? Did he die part-way through the process?

 

Yes, interesting story: as the "New Coinage" was to begin in the silver coins, 3d through crown, designs were submitted chiefly by Kruger-Gray and Derwent Wood submitted designs (that were ultimately executed by Humphrey Paget as I understand it). There were some other less seriously considered designs, but I digress. So the K-G and DW pieces were struck up by the Royal Mint with the designs all of the reverses, most with the opposite side usually featuring the word "MODEL", though a few were blank. They are quite scarce to actually rare and discussed in ESC, including the latest two versions by Bull.
Anyway, Wood died and so the Royal Mint struck up a complete set of the six designs and these were cased in a box similar to those eventually used for the 1927 six coin proof set but done in black as possibly a memorial to the designer. It was K-G whose designs were ultimately accepted. The other design considered has very rare designs - quite ugly - that featured by recollection anagrams or dots (I could be wrong on this latter).

 

How does this rate, and tell me if it seems at all unusual?

 

The SSC is correct, the Roses & Plumes is this one. Roses in the 2nd & 3rd quarter signify English silver and a plume in the 1st & 4th quarters signifies Welsh silver.


Elephant below in the same place as WCC is what you are looking for. Easiest denomination to get for that is the crown.

 

1550 Edward VI Debased Shilling

 

Unloved silver. First year of only .50 silver. 1920 used .925 & .50. And this one had to fight even harder for acceptance.
It found a loving home now. The Incomplete Planchet was a bonus for me From the junk box at LCS