1957B silver certificate with error (upside down "1" in upper right front)

If this were a real error then every note printed from this plate would have the same upside down one and we would already know all about it.

 

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That note is not a genuine BEP product. A die-setting error like that would never have happened during plate production, and would have never passed the plate proofing stage. The note is either a cut-and-paste fake, or great photoshopping.

 

Once again, it's definitely not photoshopped because I took the picture and I have no idea how to even start photoshopping something like this. It must be a copy and paste...

 

probably but just don't give up. Even though its 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% probably fake, still get at least a few opinions of local coin dealers and such.

 

Couldn't resist.

 

Okay, I have a few in my area... I'll see what they think about it.

 

Good job at photoshopping! I dont know what you're trying to prove though.... that it can be photoshopped? Good for you! The thing is, I didnt photoshop mine. The pic was taken and uploaded straight to flickr. I know there's no way to prove it (that i'm aware of). Anyone have any ideas?

 

Yes..... cut and paste or counterfeit.

 

I mean to prove it's not photoshopped so others can ignore that.

 

Can you photograph the note against the window so both sides can be seen?

 

Just having some fun — I wasn't trying to prove anything.

Dr. Frederick J. Bart at Executive Currency literally wrote the book on small-size paper money errors, Comprehensive Catalog of United States Paper Money Errors — I have it and Stephen Sullivan's US Error Note Encyclopedia and neither indicate the enormous error of an inverted "1". For it to be an authentic error, there would have to be an engraving error on the plate. Examine the note with the highest magnification available, or as others have indicated, take it to a dealer or send it in to a third party grader.

 

You can't prove on this forum that it wasn't photoshopped at this point. The only way to prove it wasn't photoshopped would be to get it to PCGS and have them either authenticate it as a BEP error or have them reject it as Counterfiet, or a Cut and Paste or otherwise altered bill.

Also, I don't get why you are so upset that people you don't know might be insinuating you photoshopped it. We are reacting to the bill, not the person, and if you take it because of your backstory as saying you photoshopped it, IMO you are putting too much into that. Same with why you are so invested in proving you didn't photoshop it. To me, there's no issue there.

If your backstory is correct, and I don't care one way or the other whether it is or not, or even if there is a backstory, then perhaps someone messed with this prior to your great granny got the bills. Who knows? Who really cares?

If after our OPINIONS OF THE BILL have been stated, it's up to you decide what to do. IMO it's not even needed to continue to press the issue on whether it was photoshopped or not.

Just my thoughts, no disrespect to you. Many people, dealers and novices in the hobby, have been fooled by expert alterated coins and bills. It's pretty much respecting how the coins and bills were made, and is it possible for that to have occurred at the Mint or BEP that cuts to the chase as to whether something seen is a real error, based on what is known about their processes and equipment.

 

Sounds reasonable enough. Im not really worried about it. It just seems, coming from my point of view, that i'm practically being accused of photoshopping when I'm the one taking the picture and know for sure that it's not photoshopped.... The only way I guess to prove that it's not photoshopped would be to take a video of the bill. As far as I'm aware, you cant photoshop a video but as you say, it really doesnt matter.

I'm going to look the bill over again in a couple days and see what I can find out. If I either dont see a 1 under the upside down 1, or cant peel the upside down 1 off of the bill then yep, im going to take it to a couple coin dealers and see what they think. If they agree that I should have it authenticated then it will be done.

Thanks again for all the help everyone!

 

I will when I get the bill again in a couple days! I'll post the flickr link to the picture afterward.

 

Cool!

 

My grandmother looked into the light and didnt see the upright 1. She also tried peeling the upside down 1 off of the bill and it didnt peel off. I will be looking at it myself as well in a couple of days..

 

A video would be A LOT harder to digiatally alter and it might just prove or disprove this note. That's my thoughts on it. I don't want to be too quick to write this one off although I've certainly never heard of quite an error note nor do I know how that could be possible. All you have to do to submit a video here on the thread is make a video on Youtube, then click "Insert Video" right aside where you would click to insert a photo and we can all see a video of the note.

-tbud

 

I took another gander at the dollar and I held it up to the light to see no upright "1" However, I tried to see if the it would peel off and I just folded it slightly to see if the edge of the upside down "1" would pop out enough for me to see it and sure enough there it was. It's crazy why someone would do this... Especially to bring a brand new possible error into investigation. It just causes others headache in the future and what good did that person get out of this anyway?

For future reference, the light was able to pass through the upside down "1" to reveal the back side of the bill but this was only able to happen because whoever pasted the upside down"1" to the bill abraded the surface where the upright "1" used to be.

The "error" looked VERY real and could easily confuse someone to think it may be an error. However, I'm glad cointalk is here to help out people who get confused over this sorta thing. One thing about it is I learned to check for this sorta thing if it ever happens again

 

I will wager my entire collection that this is not a genuine error