die crack?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by moosb8, Dec 21, 2011.

  1. moosb8

    moosb8 New Member

    Greetings and Happy Holidays to all:
    I was going through coins i purchased at an estate sale and came across 5 wisconsin quarters with the same marks. I am very new to numis numista...coin collecting. I am quessing it
    s a die crack. Any and all help is appreciated. I should clarify what i mean. to the left of the cow just above ribbon
    EDIT:I am more awake now and have noticed more. After inspecting the coins against those that look like they should, i could see distortions under the "R"s in the ribbon. noticeable in a zoom of the scan. Again only on the same 5 coins.

    Picture 69.jpg Picture 69.jpg Picture 78.jpg Picture 79.jpg




    scan1.jpg
     

    Attached Files:

  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    That's interesting! Sure looks like a die clash to me, but I'm no variety expert. One thing I can tell you is that it is most likely not a "die crack"... Die cracks typically exhibit abrupt shifts in direction and/or changes in width or thickness, but who knows... Definitely not me. ;)

    Let's wait for a few more opinions... :)

    -Brian
     
  4. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    I think this may be a partial lamination rather than a clash. There isn't anything on the other side with that kind of curvature.

    It also doesn't have the look of a die crack, as Brian mentioned.
     
  5. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    The odds of five coins having planchet defects on the same face (reverse) and all in the exact same location would be extremely low. The anomaly is obviously on the die that struck the coins (because, per the OP, they all have the identical anomaly).

     
  6. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    Read your write-up before the edit. ;) Though, I'll make no rebuttal... Partially because I don't remember exactly what was written, and partially because I don't understand exactly what you were implying. :goofer:

    -Brian
     
  7. moosb8

    moosb8 New Member

    I have a scan w/ all 5 and 1 normal

    frank
     
  8. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    I was really going off of what I was seeing, without considering what the OP had said. My mistake on that. =)

    The first time I had written that die cracks sometimes just sit there without affecting the surfaces around them and that it takes a major die crack to shift other features vertically or horizontally.
    Then I realized I read your post wrong and you meant the characteristics of the crack itself, not an effect on the coin around it. Sorry dude!
     
  9. Cazkaboom

    Cazkaboom One for all, all for me.

    Please feel free to post it
     
  10. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    I did not intend to imply that I do not believe you. My post was to point out that the anomaly was caused by the die that struck the coins, not the planchets as another poster had stated.
     
  11. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    Mind sharing with us the scans of your other coins? Are you saying they all exhibit the same anomaly? :confused:

    EDIT: Just noticed additional scans have already been provided.

    No worries. :)

    -Brian
     
  12. moosb8

    moosb8 New Member

    no offense taken
    I want to give as much info as possible. The more i read the more i undrstand everyones statements
     
  13. Cazkaboom

    Cazkaboom One for all, all for me.

    I am no expert, or have any knowledge in errors, but my two verdigris-ridden 1989 cents say that looks to be genuine. Cool find, I would suggest sending pictures to somebody who really knows their errors, because again referring to my '89 cents, that looks like a die gouge?
     
  14. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    Yea that's interesting. All five have an extra vertical line just across from the error area as well. I still don't see what there is on the other side of the die that could cause this shape in a clash though.
     
  15. Cazkaboom

    Cazkaboom One for all, all for me.

    Do I see what you see? It appears all to be there on each coin,
    2004 errors.jpg
     
  16. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Hey, moos! Welcome to the neighborhood.

    Does the mark appear to have a slight bulge to it? If so, it may be the onset of a die break. You should know that the image of the cow (device) on the die is incuse (recessed) and the edge is like a canyon wall. Like with the canyon wall, breaks occur most often near the edge of the drop-off.

    I had a lot of the CA SQ's where I saw slight bulges like this, and in one instance, I actually found a coin where the bulge became a full-blown die break. The photo attached is that of John Muir's hat on the CA SQ. I was searching a Mint bag and came across several that showed a slight bulge in the field just above the back of the brim, and then I found this one where the die metal had finally broken away.

    Chris
     

    Attached Files:

  17. moosb8

    moosb8 New Member

    Chris
    That is an excellent description of what it looks like. Your idea sounds like what happened here. I would like to thank everyone on their input on the matter. Off to work now,
    i'll be back later.
    Frank
     
  18. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page