ebay pick up

I don't want to use their pic so heres a link to the auction. http://www.ebay.com/itm/270867498612?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
Think it was struck through a capped die? will post pics upon delivery.

 

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your mood says in pain , you may be in more pain when the CT group get's thru with you over this. PM me anytime and we can talk again.

 

It looks like the reverse rim has a dent at 4:00 and 10:00. Also it looks like there is a deep dent into the reverse just above ONE CENT below the memorial. Some might say that there was something between the reverse die & the planchet during the strike. However, I believe that the two dents in the reverse rim imply that something may have dented the coin reverse when it was out of the collar (after the strike).

 

Looks like PMD to me. I think you just paid $18 for just a damaged penny. Sorry.

 

I agree with PMD and here is why I say that. If you see the rims are pushed down... This is the result of what ever damaged the coin. Coins struck through capped dies still have full rims. I marked the areas I'm talking about.

 

These guys know what they are talking about. Request to cancel the purchase. I see he doesn't offer refunds, but you are still protected by ebay buyer protection. Mislabeled item or something like that.

 

what the heck guys? guys? guys?

 

Looking forward to more pics on this one. When you get the coin, check the edge where the rim is dipped to see if there's metal pushed out. That would be a sign of damage. I'm thinking it is a partially clogged die.

 

I have a question for a few of you older CT members . I'm talking about 10 or 12 of you that hounds the newer members threads and dishes out the insults. Why do you call almost every coin that is shown on this forum by a newer member that don't fit in your group as PMD whether it is a real mint error or not ? Is this a game you play or what is the problem ? you need to remember this is on the internet and millions of folks can read what is said here.

 

Chill a bit rascal and give us your opinion of the coin. I don't have one at this point. I'm looking at all the opinions that are being posted. What in the minting process could cause this?

 

According to the ones that are supposed to be coin pro's on the forum or some other older members says I'm a liar and a idiot so my opinion would be called a lie . I was hoping some folks could learn a few things from the information I gave out on my two threads but it looks like it all went ignored. the ones that are supposed to be pro's on the forum may want to weigh in on this one so I'm trying to stay out of their way. let's give them a chance to make the call on it. It should not be very hard with the nice photos of it for a professional error person which I don't claim to be.

 

How about posting this on your mucked up thread instead of ruining someone elses. It's kinda rude.

 

Wow, this is a bit of a toughie.

Personally I'd have to go with mint error. My reasoning is that:

1. The indented part of the rims appears struck that way.
2. The indented features are quite deep and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it on the opposite side.
3. There looks like a glob of extra metal over the bottom steps of the memorial.
4. (the strongest) The indented portion terminates near the top, just to the left of "of" and actually appears to run beneath the S in "states". Post mint damage would obliterate that portion of the S.

 

Numismat I'm proud of you I really am. you are the very one that has been calling me a liar and a idiot . and I'm not just joking this time by saying I'm proud of you because I really am. I can see that you have learned a few things I told you was the truth and may have finally started to believe me a little. folks that are so bull headed they can not hear what others are trying to tell them will never learn anything new.

I asked you if you wanted to bury the hatchet in one of my own threads and be friends and you said ok and then kept right on dogging me like a bird dog. this is the most important thing you said and is one of the things your CT group group even a certain MOD. said I was lying about when I told everyone the truth .

you said
"2. The indented features are quite deep and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it on the opposite side"

This is the very best thing to look for when trying to differentiate between a post mint damaged coin and a true mint error and then go from there.always remember that a reaction always creates a opposite and equal reaction ... Numismat you said there appears to be a glob of of extra metal over steps of the memorial. this looks to me like the digital camera has just made the image look this way.this is exatly why I keep telling the CT group over and over , not one of us can truthfully declare a coin a fake or a real mint made error coin from just images of them. a in hand inspection is needed to do this.

I can not understand for the life of me how anyone could possibly look at the great ebay photos and then come right out and say this coin looks like PMD . I wonder how they thought this could go right thru the pillars of the of the memorial building and a few of the letters of ONE CENT from the photo appear to be curved over and going down into the resessed area ? this is almost but not quite as bad as one of the CT insider group calling a rare and valuable 11 cent coin PMD on a OP's thread not too long ago. I hope he didn't put that coin in the trash or spend it.

all of us , even me included needs to learn that some of the new and just starting out error collectors that are trying to become CT forum members do not know very much about coins and try to stop calling things PMD from just images of coins unless it is a major PMD coin that is so beat up that it is easy to see.

If we can learn to calm down on this coin forum and stop with the PMD thing it would be a great place for new collectors to learn about coins.

 

Hello Numismat,

I have to admit that this is a funky looking coin. Here are some comments for your consideration regarding points #1 through #4:

#1 OK maybe something was hanging over the reverse rim at 4 & 9 o'clock during the stike. However, I notice that on the obverse side there is a mark on the rim at 9:00. I don't know if this corresponds with the reverse rim damage at about 9:00. I would really like to carefully examine the edge of the coin to see if all this damage occurred within the coining collar or out of the collar.

#2 Yes. The dent does look deep & normally the metal from a post strike dent needs to go someplace. In this case, it may have formed the raised metal at the base of the memorial.

#3a Yes the metal does look raised in the photo. The only way I can imagine the metal being raised from the strike would be if the die was broken and fallen away from the place where the raised metal is located (a die chip like a cud but not affecting the edge of the coin). There is the further possibility that the chip of die material could cause the deep dent.

#3b Without a large die chip, this raised metal may just be metal pushed up from a post strike dent. This scenario would make the dent & subsequent raised metal post mint damage I think.

#4 The damage covering E OF AMERICA does look like struck through debris or possibly struck through the debris of a disintegrating reverse die cap.

If the OP has the coin in hand then it would be nice to have a careful inspection of the edge (especially at 4 & 9 o'clock.

 

collect89 I was not referring to you in any of my post and just wanted to tell you that.I have never seen you doing anything wrong. has anyone noticed that part of the left side of building and one or two of the letters may be showing twice or am I just imagning it ? I bet these CT pros will figure it out and I will stay out of it for a while.Troy

 

Sorry, I'm just not seeing any insults as much as I'm seeing opinions.

 

how much would my wrong opinion be worth to you if you show a good error coin that you own on here and I flat out say it is worthless and only PMD PMD PMD ??????????? Opinions are worth about as much as you know what whether they are good or bad on this forum. good ones may help folks learn and bad ones causes good coins to go to the trash or spent.
now for the insults you all are welcome to keep on calling me a liar and a Idiot all you want to . I'm just saying it does nother bother me but it may bother some new members . IMO you all are just trying to keep on so you can have your way and cause this entire CT forum to be closed up. I know you already know what I'm talking about because you was also one of the folks on the Coneca forum that was acting up if I'm remembering right.
If I was the Moderator I would stop this and really fast but as of right now I can do nothing to stop it.

 

I see that too and it is also a concern of mine. First off, let me say that I don't buy errors raw off the the bay all that often. I'm very well aware of the risks inherent in such endeavours. I checked his feedback and the record of past sales and purchases as I always do and no red flags went up. That being said, the rims resemble those I've seen on true clipped edge errors; please refer to this link, then scroll down to the kennedy half used as an example in a reply: http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=100334 Also I thought of points #1 and #4 made by Collect89. I also took note of the lack of damage to the obverse, and lack of scrape marks needed to push metal enough to actually raise metal as high if not higher than the design. The photos, while better than most, leave a lot to be desired; but I wouldn't be the only CT member to count on less than perfect pics I paid immediately for this coin upon auction end for these reasons. I have been talking with the seller who seems to have no ill intentions and look forward to its arrival very much. You know, a bird in the hand.... I also have to point out here that nobody seems to have noticed the other part of N in cent... It seems so clearly visible to me... am I the only one? This points to a clash at the very least. When it arrives I will take many pics and am free to open discussion on it, as I've still reserved my own opinion until I see it in hand. I will take pics of any part of the coin as requested, and look forward to it. I haven't played blackjack in years now & God knows I've dropped much more on a single hand. The conversation/debate is worth every penny! Stay tuned!

 

But you are not... and I see nothing but opinions being given here. You really need to learn the difference between an opinion and an insult.