1943 Lincoln Steel Cent Error...not PMD

A sense of humor may be required to complete the reading, as I can already see the PMD's flying on this one...so please save them for the real PMD's. Long story short - it is enough that I trust the source of this coin with my life, they are quite well off, 86 and have absolutely no reason to fabricate it. They originally acquired the coin in a roll purchased from the bank which was mint issued...they didn't even know they still had it because it was left in a small envelope, taped on the bottom of a cigar box in a safe for over 50 years!

Anyway...I was unable to find any tags, etc. pointing to any error's like this on the net, so I figured someone here may have seen it, or something likened to it before...whether with other coins, with these 43's...who knows. I would appreciate any responsible and open minded earnest feedback as to what reasonable and possible explanations would exist for this error type...so let the adverbs fly!

 

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What makes you think this is a genuine error? To me it looks like a someone put that through a vice. I stated that because the edges of the coin are damaged as if someone put pliers on them. the only true way to say this is an error is to have it certified.

 

It looks very much like it was gripped on either side with pliers and bent. What does it weigh?

 

I really think you are being truthful and you really believe your coin is a real error coin. I do not want to say any thing wrong that would offend you or your coin. I beleve I can solve the mystery of this coin for you. I have found similar coins directly from brand new mint rolls and this is probably exactly like the old folks you mentioned found it. I'm almost certain that your coin was caught up in the coin wrapping or counting machine after someone opened the mint bag and put it in the machine. don't let this stop you from looking for error coins. also don't be afraid to show other coins on here if you have some more. I will help you all I can. Troy W

 

I think someone got it in 1943 and decided to test the metal to see if it would bend (knowing it was different from copper). Sure enough, it bent.

So, as nice as the coin is otherwise, it won't grade due to damage.


BTW, Welcome to CT!

 

I agree, understand and expect your pessimism, but I am fishing for opinions of the possibility, of course, obviously it should be graded professionally to know the scientific truth, but knowing a bit about the mechanics of it's origin would be nice to help justify why it might be worth that trouble to the owner. So, the short story becomes long again...I am convinced it can't be standard PMD because as I stated, it was found in an actual uncirculated, mint issued roll, which was purchased from the bank...(though I did fail to mention this actually happened in 1943, the year it was minted). Still that fact implies it came from the mint itself, which eliminates handling and manipulation. The owner vividly remembers getting the roll, later sorting it and finding the coin, in the condition you see. It was then placed in a small envelope and put away. The collector liked oddities, she also discovered some other clip error coins and the likes of as time passed, even made the news back in the 50's and 60's for some of her findings. If it was anyone else, I would certainly doubt their story and motives, but this is my 86 year old Grandmother, a pillar of our community, my life and an exemplary numismatist, she got me into it - I have blind faith in her word. I am more curious as to what stage/s of the mint process could do something like this. And as to the weight, it weighs 2.7g, while the other 5 I have all weigh 2.8g.

 

That was very well spoken and very probable, thank you for your eloquent opinion.

 

It looks polished. Someone tell me if i'm wrong.

 

Wow, interesting. I would skip the middleman/naysayers and just go ahead and send to PCGS. You'll know exactly what this 1943 cent is, and its worth. Let us know your findings! We hope you've uncovered a major error! You've already received a few opinions here about the cent. If you keep asking, you may get into fruitless multiple page arguments as some people have done in the recent past. Let's keep this forum friendly & positive!

 

Thank you, and thanks for the welcome ...but I sincerely doubt that a great deal as it came in a mint issued roll. True enough though, it won't grade due to the perceived damage. Still, it would be nice to validate something about it to make it worth having scientifically analyzed to determine the unknown.

 

It has never been so much as wiped.

 

Unfortunately the mint never wrapped coins headed for circulation in rolls, they were issues to the banks in bags of 5,000. So as CSI would say, there is an interrupted chain of evidence. The bank either rolled them , or someone bought the bag ( like buying a box of cents today) and rolled them. They could have bent one and then tossed it into a roll, or it got bent in the counting/rolling machine. I would go with PMD.

Jim

 

Darn! You beat me to it!

 

Well said and directed Mecha, Thank you. Positive is the only direction my compass allows. I knew that there would be some "fluff" before posting - hence my "sense of humor" lead line, but I do like to have a variety of opinions, pro's and con's, you have to see both sides to gain some sort of background with which to plead a case. I think of it akin to throwing bologna at a refrigerator, some sticks, some slides off...but much can be learned through what actually stuck...lol. And as I had previously mentioned, this coin is not mine, and not my call...hopefully I will learn some good arguments here with which to sway the idea...but, either way, we all find it interesting and if it is nothing else, a fantastic conversation piece.

 

Hobo It looks like someone beat both of you .you usually are faster than me , I outdrawed you this time. LOL

 

I'm proud of you and your post , You sure have the right attitude and I hope to God a few of the self centered ones on here will read your post. just because someone that don't know coins really well and puts a thread on the forum this don't give anyone the right to down the Op or his coin. I'm sure you and everyone else knows who I'm talking about.

 

Where in this thread has anyone put the Op down? Some people disagreed with it being a mint error, but did so in a respectful way.
Herein lies the problem with all your posts. You take disagreement as an insult and call others self centered, but all you are doing is projecting your issues on others.

PS: How many accounts do you have on this forum?

 

I agree. The OP was told his coin was PMD (which it is), explained best by Jim (desertgem). I see no disrespect anywhere in this thread.

 

Good grief! Should we be honest when we answer questions here or should we tell everyone that they have found a rare and valuable error so they won't get their feelings hurt?

 

there is a possiblity that this did happen at the mint, but even then it would have happened AFTER the coin was struck. You can clearly see that the coin was fully struck which can only happen if the planchet is flat when struck. If the coin was bent by being struck again then there would be a second image on the coin. There isnt. Even if the coin was bent at the mint after striking it is considered post mint damage.

Richard