1915A MARK value - NGC top pop

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  1. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    Yes, BU. I...give up.
     
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  3. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    I know it seems weird, but for some foreign coins the number grades don't matter. If it's brilliant uncirculated and has few marks, it makes little difference that someone has graded it MS65 or MS68. I see eBay sellers posting high mint state foreign coins all the time. Most of the time they are top pop only because the core collectors for those coins don't bother sending the best ones in for third party grading.
     
  4. bahabully

    bahabully Junior Member

    Can you post any links to any of these.? I'd seriously love to start a collection of top pop world coins, especially German,,, and especially if I can get them for $30 to $100 per pop.

    Show me some examples of what you speak of and I'm in !!
     
  5. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Hi bahabully, here is one site which specializes in german coins and is very popular. It's a german version of vcoins. Most of the dealers are based here, but will ship to the U.S.

    www.ma-shops.de

    Eduard
     
  6. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    Hey bahabully, if you like that Mark, I suggest you put togethor a nice German Empire Type set. I could give you the list and the KM #s if you were interested. It's about 20 items. Some really nice coins at great prices.
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    I can't show you examples of top pop German coins for sale. Plenty of graded ones to choose from though.
     
  7. bahabully

    bahabully Junior Member

    Hey Gbroke, please send me the list. I think I will do just that.
    Eduard, thanks for the link, some neat coins on that site.. I did do some looking at those listed as Stempelglanz... didn't see any noted as such that I felt were in the same class as the one I've posted... too bad they don't provide a better classification of grade to delimit 65's from 67's or higher as the the difference in quality is significant from what I can see,, imo.
     
  8. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Glad you found it useful, bahabully. As you rightly note, dealers here do not much discriminate among the various degrees of uncirculated. You can turn this to your advantage though, but you have to sort the good from the less good based on the pictures provided.

    Here is a nice one I though: http://www.ma-shops.de/franquinet/item.php5?id=53383&lang=en
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    dct is right about one thing if nothing else - you can't compare world coins to US coins when it comes to price. It just can't be done. There is no similarity whatsoever.

    More often than not the world coin will have a greater rarity, both mintage and condition. And yet it will sell for a fraction of the price of any comparable US coin. That IS the market, there's no getting around it.

    As for condition rarity alone, look at the submission numbers between that coin and a US coin. The US coin will outnumber it a hundred, a thousand, maybe even ten thousand to one. In some cases a US coin will outnumber a world coin a hundred thousand to one. So you can't compare condition rarity between the two with such a disparity.

    As for many of them of equal quality sitting out there raw, that's the same argument made with US coins. Is it possible there are some other 68's out there ? Sure, you bet it's possible. Is it probable ? Yeah, it's even probable. But how many ? That is the question. And it's a question, and an argument that can never be won or lost, or answered. Because it is pure supposition and speculation.

    I'll tell you this. I do not believe for one minute that there are thousands, or even hundreds, or even tens for that matter, of US coins or world coins sitting out there raw in grades like MS68 or MS69. Especially not with older coins.

    People have made that claim about US coins for as long as coin grading has been with us. But in all those years, very, very few have ever showed up. That speaks volumes to me. It tells me that the reason they have never showed up is because they don't exist. Just my opinion.
     
  10. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    So many nice coins there. Thanks for the link!
     
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  12. GDJMSP

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  13. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    Agreed. I had 8 items in my cart and decided to backoff. I had to get at least 2 to justify the $13 shipipng cost. At least in my mind. lol Please don't tell my wife.
     
  14. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    I think the stars are aligned or there is something wrong...I have to officially agree with Doug twice in the same week! :eek:
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    OK that does it. I'm getting my aluminum hat back out ! :D
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Oh I dunno, there might come a time when I just have to.

    That happened with silvereagle ya know - any ya barely see him around at all anymore ;)
     
  17. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Dasstempelglanzzweimark

    :cheers: Das stempelglanz zwei Mark
     

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  18. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    bahabully
    I was so excited making up my own German word that I almost forgot to comment on your coin. Your coin reverse is stempelglanz. Your coin overall is dazzling. Thanks for posting it!
     

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  19. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    I wouldn't be able to link any official "top pop" coins. When I do see really high mint state ones they are usually not slabbed. If you keep up a daily search of them on eBay you will see them from time to time.

    Here's a nice 1915-E that appears to be a higher mint state. Seems like a good deal at $22.50. =)

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1915-E-Germ...108?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b7a4696c
     
  20. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    There is one additional key difference. The population numbers for US coins are representative of what's been discovered, while for most foreign coins it is not. The US market is so strong that the only high mint state old coins not sent in for grading are those that have not been discovered yet. Many foreign collectors have no need of sending their rare and high mint state coins to an American company for grading. And, I'm not aware of any major European based grading company.
    This goes back to your point about submission numbers, but I wanted to clarify a little. =)

    No offense to anyone here, but I feel that foreign collectors are generally smarter and less impulsive about buying coins. That's why they don't need a strict number grade to guide them along.
    Then again, around 60% of my customers are outside the US, so I may be biased on that point.
     
  21. dctjr80

    dctjr80 Senior Member

    I think we are really at a misunderstanding, you and I, let me start of by congratulating you on an awesome achievement of securing a top pop and I admire your coin greatly and appreciate it in my own way for what it is. I have some experience in buying and selling mostly non-U.S. coins. As Doug was explaining it is a completely different realm than U.S. coins. $100 is about what I would expect you to get if you needed to sell soon and auctioned fast, if you groomed around or waited for an ideal buyer maybe even a couple hundred... my mention of it being worth $30 to me, is because I do not buy world coins at RETAIL price, I buy them way below retail or not at all, just my way. There are many foreign coins out there just waiting for the pickings and probably will be for well over the next 20+ years. I also expect that in the next 25-40 years world coins should come up to about 60-80 percent equableness in value to there U.S. counterparts in similar market scenarios. I have been strongly advocating for about 3 years now that world coins are the next hot place to be in Numismatics, now is the right time to find as many of the best as you can, so that when they mature to their full potential in 25-40 you will be there to cash in on their true value that they should be at... ;)
     
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