The results of my ebay coin

Yea, because it's the first time you've actually seen one.

I'm not gonna go into a long, detailed post here. I'll just say that you're basically throwing everything you can at it and hoping something sticks. This is what you've done in other posts. And the few times something did stick, you went all-in on it and became condescending to anyone that disagreed.
Everything you said in this last post was your personal rationale in response to seeing the die. It has NO BEARING on what actually makes sense. You saw it, had to rethink your argument and then rationalize it to fit with your original opinion.
This is the hallmark of a bull-turd artist.

 

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But seriously, if it was able to occur, I truly would like to know HOW it is able to do so. Because it means overcoming mass and goes against the physics that seem to happen when a die in place is continually forced to strike against another (with a planchet in between the two). How does the die overcome both the mass and the opposite reaction of being forced against a secure object and yet bulge outwards at the striking surface of the die?

 

I have been trying to ignore you but you are still pushing me for a confrontation. you have been calling me a liar and bull turds over and over. you are trying to reverse everything and put it on me and you are the one doing the lying. every word you wrote in this last post is nothing but total lies. I have told you many times I do not care one way or the other about folks opinions on this forum because they will not help me whether they are good or bad. Have you not ever heard that what you say is exactly what you are ? now i'm asking you to please leave me alone.

 

http://en.mimi.hu/numismatic/buckled_die.html

 

I went there and this is what I found:

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[TD="width: 500"]Buckled die
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buckled die
A die that has warped in some way, producing coins that are slightly bent.
bulged die ...





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So I went to bulged die and this is what I found:[/TD]
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bulged die

• A die that has a small indentation formed in it, producing coins with a bulged area.
  
  So again I have to ask, since the references you give for a buckled die lead to "indentation" in the die leading to a COIN with a bulged area,
  But seriously, if it was able to occur, I truly would like to know HOW it is able to do so. Because it means overcoming mass and goes against the physics that seem to happen when a die in place is continually forced to strike against another (with a planchet in between the two). How does the die overcome both the mass and the opposite reaction of being forced against a secure object and yet bulge outwards at the striking surface of the die?Awaiting your reply that will this time answer the question, please!

 

Hey, I'm only working with what you give me. So far that's been a gigantic steaming pile of bull-turds.
I'm getting tired of wiping my shoes after walking through it. Seriously dude.

 

What more can I do for you ? I gave you the info. you asked for , you was only wanting to know what would cause a die to bulge outwards.a die can warp inwards or outwards depending on how and what caused the problem. what do you think would happen if a already wrinkled or bulged die did accidentally come into contact with the opposing die ? now there's a question for you.

 

Still wouldn't turn the incuse features inside-out. *cough cough*

 

But you didn't give me the info I asked for. I was not only wanting to know what would cause a die (not the coin) to bulge outwards, but also the reasoning behind it due to the mass and structure of the die, the placement of the die surface, considering the physics involved. What I think would happen if a bulged die did accidentally come in contact with the opposing die would be a die clash where the bulged die (which is now indented from it's surface) would leave even LESS of marks on the opposing die. As to what would happen with a wrinkled die, I have NO idea what that is, unless you are thinking wrinkled = warped. In that case, again, the question is how a die (which you have seen a picture of here) is going to "wrinkle".


So no, that's not a question for me. The question for you is the same as I asked before. I wish you would answer it instead of dancing around and pretending to have answered it.

 

well stop walking thru all of your bull turds as you call them and stay off this thread if you have a problem with it. you don't have to stick your neck into a hornets nest because someone asked you to.

 

Then why are you here?

 

If you really are interested in coins and do want to learn about them then PM me and we can exchange email addresses and talk more about it. If you are just trying to push me around then stop it because it will never work for you or anyone else no matter who it is.We have exchanged enough posts on this and my other thread and I'm asking you please just leave it alone because this is going no where. Troy

 

Ok guys... Last warning to keep it civil... This thread is on the verge of being closed. Keep this discussion on topic.

 

Thank you, but I enjoy being on a forum where I don't have to go to personal emails or a series of PM's to get information on coins. And the people who are to tell me when to leave a thread is going to be the moderators or owner of this forum, not someone who replies to this because he seems to be bothered by a real question I have on the coin and coining process, not IMO on OP's stated reason to me now.

If you can't answer the question, then say you can't and leave it at that.

 

I sure hope it gets closed. This is getting outright ridiculous.

 

Thanks for the link, rascal. This definition suggests that a buckled die MAY be the result of excessive clashing, but it is only speculation. What still confounds me is that if, in fact, there was excessive die clashing, why don't we see any evidence of any clash whatsoever in the left obverse field or on the reverse?

However, I was curious to see if Alan Herbert discussed it in his book on mint errors. Although, it isn't mentioned, I did find a passage which may have a bearing on this............

Worn and Damaged Dies, Collars and Hubs (II-G)

The last class in this section is design transfer, which is somewhat difficult to explain to anyone not familiar with metallurgy. It basically is a case of the die metal deforming due to the repeated pounding of striking coins, with the central portion of the design of one die transferring to the opposing die through the planchets as they are struck.

The best example I can offer of this phenomenon is the toy which you've all seen which has five or six metal balls hanging in a row, touching each other. When you pull back the end ball and allow it to strike the row, it causes the ball at the far end to swing away from its neighbor. The same thing occurs with design transfer, the outline of the design being transferred from one die to the other. Note that there is no actual die-to-die or die-to-collar contact as there is in a die or collar clash.

The toy Mr. Herbert has described exhibits one of the simple laws of physics.........For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Now, let's take this information to see how it relates to the striking of the coin. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding the anvil die is normally the obverse and the hammer die is normally the reverse. Given this, the hammer die is like the steel ball of the toy that is pulled away and let go to strike the other balls. So, the reverse design is being transferred through the planchet to the obverse die. Wouldn't this possibly account for the fact that there is no evidence of a clash in the left field of the coin. As I mentioned before, when a clash occurs, it doesn't necessarily have to leave any evidence of the clash on the reverse die, but given the fact that a buckled die is thought to occur from excessive clashing, it would seem only logical that there should be some evidence on the reverse. Since there is none, I'm thinking that Mr. Herbert's explanation of die transfer is more plausible.

Chris

 

No need to close the thread. Folks just need to stop the insulting remarks. Lets talk about the coin.

If the die was bulged enough to cause a clash such as this, there would have to be some signs of the clash on the reverse of the coin. Actually it would be easy to see if the die was in that bad of shape. I'm not seeing that from the image.

 

I hope it does too because many have shown have foolish and hard it is too accept another persons believes and not being able to "MOVE ON". Instead, many decide to what? Keep on replying to feel as if they are the correct ones. For sure it is a very ridiculous thread. The pros have shown their expertise. I applause you all for showing that side of you.

 

Chris thanks for this post and it has one extremely piece of information in it that is the most important information for any beginning error coin collector. this is the very most important information for us collectors of coins.......For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction ........

when searching for error or variety coins and a coin is found with damage on one side and you look at the other side and it is damaged also then you can rest assured in most cases it is post mint damage. If you find a unusal looking coin on one side and the other side is absolutely undamaged this means that the coin was mostlikely still resting on a die then you may have found a real mint made error coin.

 

I'm sorry rascal but that's just not true.