Ngc batch #6

1919-64
26-s:AU58
1930-64 RED
1920-MS63

 

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1930 - 63
1919 - 64
1928 - 64
1920 - 58
1926s - 50
1944 - 66

 

1944 - 65
1928 - 65rd
1920 - 63
1926s - details
1919 - 64
1930 - 64rd

 

If that first photo'd L.C. is an MS66RD, then I'm a deep-fried turkey.

-Brian

 

So what's your guess's then?
You armchair quarterback
Let me guess you grade all MS70?

 

1930- MS63 RD
1919- MS64 RB
1928- MS64 RD
1920- AU58 BN
1926-s- AU 53
1944- MS64

 

Editing done.

 

1930 - 63rd
1928 - 66rd
1920 - au58
1919 - 64rd

1944 - 64
1926 - Xf40 Details - Cleaned

That '28 is really nice, hoped it graded higher than 66

 

Well, I was somewhat unhappy with this lil' batch, and very concerned now for the current "large" batch I sent to NGC recently. I know some variability and occasional black eye is to be expected. But dang.
Here are the results:

1920 cent - MS62 BN - a raw one I had for some time and felt it was MS enough to give it a ride. MS62 is close to what I had expected.

1926-S dime - XF45 details (improperly cleaned) - yup, was afraid of that, and agree. Tried to get lucky and NGC had none of it.

1919 cent - UNC details (improperly cleaned) - PCI green label AU58 krackout - I was thinking MS63 - The color scared me on this one, very brassy and non-typical glow/luster. I put it under my 10x industrial illuminated optical inspection device (aka, big ol' lit up loop) and had to strain my eyes for a few minutes, and I mean STRAIN, but was able to make out quite a bit of fine lines. Looks like they were deeply covered by the toning and literally impossible to see in hand without high light and magnification.. even then, you have to really bear down on this coin to see them. OK, have to agree with NGC here, kinda like a holding penalty in football.. like holding, there are a few of those lines on almost all BRN cents somewhere, if you look hard enough. Again, ok with the call.

.. now the unhappiness begins

1944 Qtr - Unc details (improperly cleaned obv) - PCI gold label MS64 krackout - I felt 66, maybe 67. Coin oozed luster, I really labored on this one, putting it side by side to 66 pcgs samples I had and 65 ngc samples I have. It looked as good or better than all of the them in my eye. Back under the ol' loop it went also and I spent 5 minutes looking at it from different angles, rotating it in hand as I held the loop to it, walking away to rest my eyes for 30 seconds, coming back and repeating the process. Finally noticed around 10-15 fine lines (as the 1919) on the top right of the obv. They run ON and from the "Y' in liberty into the field kinda north to south. I felt these are a result of a light hit, as the Y is also affected to a degree which would be impossible to inflict via a cleaning of any type I have ever heard of. Anyway, take a look at the area. I can't agree with this one, although the lines "are" there, I feel that they are not significant, almost impossible to see, and obviously not imparted by an intentional cleaning. Bah !

1928 cent - Unc details (altered color) - PCI green label MS64 RD krackout - I beauty imo, was hoping for 65, maybe 66 with prayer of 67...I don't know anything about what the heck altered color means. Are there copper markers at wal-mart that coin doctors buy and use to paint over cents to make them red again ? Do folks electro-plate these and try to pass them by TPG's ? Can you artifically re-tone a cent BACK to RD from RB or BN !!? Someone please help me out here, really. I love to discuss w.t. heck "altered color" is and how to identify it.. I know of the orange look, but this baby is as naturally red looking as any cent I've seen in plastic RD labels. Anyway. BAH !!

1930 cent - Unc details (altered color) - ANACS old small holder MS63 krackout - heck, I just wanted to reholder to NGC so I could get a quick cheap 30 for my registry set I was gonna build on their site. Had to go out and buy one from the 'bay after I saw this result. I felt it would come back MS62-63, pretty nicky cent, but nice looking with character imo. Again.. what the heck ! double BAH !!

This really scares me, as I just sent in a good batch of old holdered (small holder generation) ANACS in to NGC. I hope I haven't ****ed them off somehow.

Unhappy -bully <over>

 

I get what you are saying here bully. With regards to the recoloring, I don't know how it is being done, just what it is to look for if you are gonna play the crackout game. In the book "Coin Chemestry" a must read, there is a chapter called an interview with a coin doctor. It is a tell all that will make a guy ill for an hour. It has been sometime since I read it but I remember him saying "when the market likes red coins we give'em red and when they like toned dollars, we give it to 'em, and when the market wants blast white", and so on.

Unlike toned silver that can tone and brought back to white, copper is a one way street from red to brown and can not usually be reversed without some sort of tell. It sounds like you know what the pumpkin orange of a recolored cent looks like, it is just that you are paying tuition on some lower cost cents, that is good. I thought the 1928 looked to good to be true, and I saw just a hint of the wrong orange sitting along some of the protected areas, probably where some sort of liquid pooled a little to long. That is all the TPGs are looking for. Keep that coin close as a reference, I do the same with some and it helps when I have to make a call on a better date.

Matt

 

Gotta hand you credit for calling that 28 Matt. I'll do as you say and keep it close to employ as a border sample when judging cent color in the future.
Thanks for the feedback.

 

I sure didn't get all of them right. I missed the 1930 as I thought that would grade clean. For me, it keeps it interesting that with copper you have to not only get the grade right or if it is cleaned, but the color has to be right or the TPGs will body bag them. Same with Morgans, it complicates things when trying to settle on a grade/no grade and then if it is PL, or DMPL. I guess experience counts, and starting threads like this adds to all of our experience. Thanks, I appreciate that.

Matt

 

That is very sad. I am sorry they did that to you! The TPG's are so sensitive to colors nowadays! It's almost sad how much they give out "altered colors" Or "Genuine questionable color" slabs.