2009 Dollar Bill Misprint

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by gags14, Nov 28, 2011.

  1. gags14

    gags14 New Member

    I received this dollar bill as change at a store. After close look at it i noticed that the front is also printed on the back. I have no-to little knowledge of coins and bills and trying to figure out exactly what this is or isnt and maybe what it could be worth besides $1. I have seen many different things online and just want to throw it out there. Hopefully the pics help Thanks
     

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  3. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    Welcome to CT, gags!
    Nice pick up.
    I don't remember what this is called, but it's definitely a keeper and carries a premium.
    Hang tight, there'll be others here to evaluate your note and tell you what the error is.
     
  4. Cazkaboom

    Cazkaboom One for all, all for me.

    No expertise in paper money, but I would say the ink bled through. or was transferred from another bill with water and a hot iron.
     
  5. gags14

    gags14 New Member

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    I have had it checked out around my area and they say it is a legit bill and called a misprint. Any more help would be great.
     
  6. jloring

    jloring Senior Citizen

    It couldn't be printed that way since the image is reversed (mirrored). It had to be transfered from another bill. So technically not a "misprint", even if the transfer happened at the BEP.
     
  7. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    I think it's called an "Offset transfer". It happens when one sheet is piled atop a still wet sheet.
    Your note looks like it is in very good condition. Please keep it that way. Put it in a sleeve. It
    does carry a premium.
     
  8. kookoox10

    kookoox10 ANA #3168546

    I forget what they call this. You can try messaging a forum member by the name of "tbudwiser", he can get you the info on this note. It is definitely one I would hold on to, nice find.
     
  9. gecko

    gecko Coin Collector/Hoarder

    I believe this is called a 'counterfeit'.
     
  10. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    Come on, gecko, be nice. The OP is new here. Get him broken in before you razz him.
     
  11. TheNoost

    TheNoost huldufolk

    I agree with rickmp
     
  12. tbudwiser

    tbudwiser Active Member

    This note is indeed a ligitimate error or 'freak' note. It does have real nice premiums. It is what is called an "Offset inking transfer" in what looks to me like CU condition or at least AU. As other members have suggested, please handle this note very carefully. I wouldn't even hold it in my hand. Get it in a sleeve as soon as you can. Error notes like these in that particular state are usully extremley hard to come by. It is a Philadelphia note that was printed in April of 2011 at the Wasington, D.C printing facility. You won't know the value of it until you start looking around online to get a good idea of how many of these were let out because this is Series 2009 which is the newest series of FRN $1's being printed so no body will know how many of these got released to public to know the value. Either way, it is an exceptional find and it is in fact a keeper. Congrats.:thumb: I certainly know I'll be paying attention more when I go strap searching, particularly to the '09 CA block, yet I have only seen a few strands here and there.:rolleyes:
     
  13. tbudwiser

    tbudwiser Active Member

    I believe you're answering something that your not quite sure about... It's called an error or 'freak' note in general, particularly an Offset face to back error - look it up. Here is another example of this type of error for the same series BB block:

    http://www.cointalk.com/t168859/

    This CA is still nicer though because of its current uncirculated condition and the fact that it is 100% face offset and not a just a partial face offset. This error is even considered more on the common side of error notes.

    -tbud

     
  14. krispy

    krispy krispy

    I'm curious to know from those who are so convinced this note is authentic, based on the pictures provided, what indicates this is a legit note. Any such error note that shows up in forums or in the wilds of eBay, uncertified by either PMG or PCGS Currency, is suspect solely because there are so many fake-error notes out there, even if a fake one was put into circulation and later discovered by someone else.

    I'd be curious to know if any other notes from this SN block and this particular sheet have turned up among collectors and error note hunters. That would lend a lot of credibility. If looking for a diagnostic to validate the note, while the images are very low resolution and hard to read, one thing that seems to be missing and therefore makes me believe the note could be legit, is the lack of impression from the black district seal. This only appears to have the black face plate with portrait and border devices, hence occurring mid-printing when only one plate offset to the back of this sheet.

    Again, I caution anyone with error notes, to seek professional advice and certification services, which would only improve the potential resale value, and increase the number of interested buyers for such a note.

    To the OP, if you have a flatbed scanner, could you scan the note instead of posting photos. If you can, place a dark sheet of paper over the note when you scan so all the borders are defined and don't let the scanner crop the edges of the note. Thanks.
     
  15. krispy

    krispy krispy

    I'm confused by your reference to an equally ambiguous thread on a 'similar' error. Please note that the blocks are not the same and that your mention of the two notes being from the same Series really lends no credibility to the authenticity of either notes legitimacy. The earlier thread is a BB block for the NY district while the note in this thread is a CA block for the Philadelphia district. Their printings could be quite far apart from when, IF, any error occurred and escaped QC. Sure they both could be legit and have escaped the Fed and banking institutions but I don't see how linking to the earlier thread provides any evidence that the note in this thread or the other are legitimate notes. Please explain or provide better evidence.
     
  16. gags14

    gags14 New Member

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    Thanks to Bud for the info, alot of help.
    I would like to get this looked at and maybe graded. I live about 20 minutes South of Bostonm doesnt anyone recommend a place to get this done?
    Kripsy i can try and scan it and repost the images.
    Also i have this in a holder, i took it out to take the pics.
    No one has touch it after i realized what i had.
     
  17. tbudwiser

    tbudwiser Active Member

    Similar; as in same series and and denominations and same type of error note - face to back offset. I know that these blocks are not the same - this is why I pointed out that the other one is a BB block and NOT a CA block. They are very similar and they were printed around the same time period in the same printing facility and only 4 months apart under the same newer series. Any relevance there?? IMO, there would be. The BB was printed in January of 2011 and the CA was printed in April of 2011. I have been studying up and reading on purchasing myself a nice offset error and I have spent time looking at ligit AND fake ones in person and both of these look ligitimate and non-manufactured. Me posting the earlier thread was more of me explaining that it wouldn't be 'counterfeit' and not so much as me trying to show proof of the error being ligit or not. There is a difference between a 'counterfeit note' and a 'manufactured error'. A counterfeit, from what I've been tought in life, would be a dollar bill that was printed by someone other than the BEP. This is illegal and a Federal offense, as you most likely are already aware of. A manuactured error would be that someone tried to fake an error to sell the note and was caught. This could be done by putting the note through a printer and trying to print the offset, by tampering with the bill by using chemicals, etc.

    -tbud:)

     
  18. tbudwiser

    tbudwiser Active Member

    With any luck, your note could end up being worth anywhere from 20-30 times face. It depends on how many more of these errors are reported. If I were you, I'd report this to USPaperMoney.Info and maybe ask if they have had any others reported from the same block. You can also check WheresGeorge.com to see if any of the members there have started threads about this error you have. Finding more errors of the same block and series could be a huge step towards acquring solid proof that your note is in fact a ligitmate error note. I personally think it is. Heck, check eBay too. You might as well, you got nothing to loose in snooping around. When you did accidentally touch it, the ink on the back didn't smear, did it? If it didn't than I'd have a hard time believing that this is a manufactured error. Better images would indeed help in promoting the ligitimacy of your error. Good luck.

    -tbud

     
  19. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    I have a $50 graded note with a similar situation. PCGS called it an error note with a back to face offset. Yours would be a face to back offset. Mine was considered minor, yours is very apparent.
     
  20. krispy

    krispy krispy

    I'm not talking counterfeits here. My point is that the ease of creating a fake error and the large amount of them that seem to be in the market place, is reason enough to doubt any that come across the forums and auctions, such as eBay. It's too soon to declare this a victory and to get the hopes of anyone up based on these images which are as good as any you see used to sell fake error notes.

    The note should really be sent in for review, not to a regular coin shop but to PMG or PCGS Currency. It will only improve the marketability of the note as a verified error, protect the greater collecting community from fraud and protect the note for the future. Now certification fees alone might eat up the 20x-30x estimated value of the note given as a ball park but that is peanuts to pay for the knowledge you actually have a certified error in your hands.

    For the OP wanting to take this some place in your area. You can try to contact Denly's of Boston but you should really consider finding a dealer who can submit this note for you to PMG or PCGS Currency (as mentioned earlier in this thread) or join one of these currency grading companies and submit the note yourself.

    It's better to erase all doubt before we pop the champagne, but I too am rooting for the OP's note in the hopes it's authentic.
     
  21. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    +1
     
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