The results of my ebay coin

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by rascal, Nov 28, 2011.

  1. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    I'm starting this new thread about my ebay error coin that we all thought was a altered coin. Well I receive the coin today and it definately is not like ICG has it labeld. The best news is that it is not one of the common man made altered coins. I may have struck a gold mine here,the coin is definately a mint error and the question is how did this happen at the mint? I think I may have the problem solved , after closely examining the coin.... I'm almost sure it is a dropped letter coin with also a dropped detail of the memorial building , this would be extremely rare and called a dropped filling.. I saw a rare dropped filling state quarter sold on Ebay not long ago that had about two thirds of one side of the coin covered with a complete details of a dropped die filling struck into it. this happens when a coin die becomes clogged and then the clogged part fall out of the die and get's pushed into a planchet when the die strikes it. I collect dropped letter coins and I desperately wanted that quarter but it went for more than I could pay.

    I made it really rough on the Ebay seller and told them this was a altered coin and bought it just to keep someone else from getting a fake coin, Now I owe this seller a apoligy and I will apoligize to him . It was really ICG's fault for labeling the error wrong causing me to think this way.. the way I can tell this coin is a real mint error is for the fact that the dropped letters of America are right up tight against the rim of the coin with 4 letters showing without any damage to the fragile rim at all.If this was a hammer or squeeze job like most of us thought then the rim would have been damaged. plus not visible in the photo is tiny lines that connects the letters to the building meaning that it fell out of the die in one piece. on the top of Lincolns head is about a fourth of the letter O from ONE. if someone did this with another coin the entire word ONE would have had to be there because the partial letter O is really down deep. Two more note worthy things is that the coin is perfectly normal in diameter and the reverse side is perfect. A dropped die filling is all I can come up with that would do this. can anyone think of anything else beside this or doublestruck because is is easy to see it is not doublestruck ?click on this link to see it. look at the dark colored photo,it shows more of the details.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1988-Penny-...40?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item3cbeb2b948
     
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  3. jloring

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  4. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Any chance of better pics? I still think its a vice job.
     
  5. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    What ever you say, Rascal. What ever you say.

    All hail Rascal, the absolute last word in error coins!
     
  6. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    This type of error CAN be faked and a "vice job" can also be done in a way that does not show evidence on the rim or opposite side (not going to explain how for obvious reasons).

    As mentioned by others, clear and close-up pics of both sides would really be helpful here.

    I find ICG's attribution odd. If it was a clashed die, as they labeled it, it would be in the correct alignment. This one is significantly off center. This is far from impossible, but still unlikely.
    Plus there would usually be evidence on the opposite side when dies clash.
     
  7. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    Thanks rickmp for the nice words. You just do not know how true your words are. after around 45 years of doing nothing except buying and selling error and variety coins and glass I do think I know a little when it comes to error coins.
     
  8. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    Hi there LostDutchman I just received this awesome coin today and have not tried to get any images of it yet. It will be hard to get good photos thru the slab. This coin really was a surprise for me. I would have bet my life on it that it was a man made hammer job while it was on Ebay.

    like I told you folks earlier I do know it is totally impossible for it to be a clashed die coin. after studying the coin for a few minutes this evening I am almost totally sure it is a struck thru filling from a coin die . there is evidence that the filling was dropped out of the die in one piece.

    what makes these so rare is the fact that somewhere around 99% of the time this junk debree breaks apart when it comes loose and falls out of the die.

    when I bid for this coin I was about totally sure that it was man made but I also knew what it mat be so I took a gamble and looks like Christmas has come early thanks to ICG.

    I will be asking ICG if they want to reslab this coin with the correct label. please don't close this thread because what folks say don't bother me.It's good to see you on this thread . We can all learn from this forum as we go along and I will help folks learn when I can.
     
  9. VNeal

    VNeal Member

    I would say the penny as not a real error but man made
     
  10. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I understood what you meant by "dropped letter" in your earlier post. I have been collecting and dealing in errors for more then 20 years... I just don't think that's what happened.

    Without better pics however there is no way to be absolutely sure... But I highly doubt the dropped filling theory.
     
  11. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    So you're asking us to believe that different areas of a die that are separated by the field were clogged. Then all those clogs fell out at the same time and stayed perfectly oriented with respect to each other? Put me down as a skeptic.
     
  12. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    I'm telling you truth,the coin is exactly what I said it is. there is one more way this could have happened but it would still be called a struck thru die filling. it is possible that this may have been the remnants of a worn out die cap and when it fell off the die it flipped over to the side where the details were and got pushed into this coin. this would still be called a dropped die filling if I'm remembering right because a coin that becomes stuck onto the die also fills in the letters and details of the die and would be the same as a die clogged with metal fragments,dirt and all kinds of junk mixed in.

    after I have been thinking of this I would almost bet my life that the rare Ebay state quarter that had all the struck thru die fillings on it was a worn out die cap that had finally fell out of the die and got pushed into that awesome quarter. because just think of it, How would a die clogged with nothing but debree and become unclogged how would this big a piece of junk debree be able to not break apart?
     
  13. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    Well I'm eager to see some good pics of it. By the way is the reverse rotated?
     
  14. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    If you say so...
     
  15. Porsche2007

    Porsche2007 Senior Member

    Rascal, I noticed that you don't have a "signature" that would appear at the bottom of your posts. Considering that the above quotation represents some of your sentiments quite well, permit me to nominate it as your possible signature. Regressing to the coin part, I don't believe that it is an error.
     
  16. anzani racer

    anzani racer New Member

    will you be offering the seller more money? when i sell something folks say was described wrong they want something back.
    are icg. slabs tamper proof?...rob
     
  17. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    Yeah, Rascal. I remember the first time you came here to CT and insisted that all of the old pros here knew nothing and argued for weeks over a lump of distorted metal.

    You are my idol. I don't make a move without your advice.
     
  18. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    It will take better images to make me think this is not just damage.
     
  19. zach67005

    zach67005 Active Member

    Where's Rigo?
     
  20. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    Yea dropped letter or filling errors are usually very minimal as far as the transferred details.
    If you have one complete letter that is more than enough to get error collectors excited.
    If anything this coin looks closest to a partial brockage, but again the extra features are too softly struck to be from the mint.
     
  21. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    Well I will give you credit for one thing,at least you know we need better images. I never could figure out why folks on here only has bad images to look at and the good coins are called PMD and the obvious altered and damaged coins are sometimes called real mint errors.further more it is about impossible to identify what is wrong with a coin from even a good image unless it is a easy to see and well known error coin. I know it's impossible to believe but someone on here saw a struck cent on a struck dime and told the OP something like it was PMD and worthless.this is one of the most easiest and valuable errors to identify. just imagine what if the Op had took this advice and threw his coin away.
     
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