I was wondering what coins were minted in 1815, the sole year there are no Cents and ran across this. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1815-usa-capped-bust-quarter-motto-open-collar-strike-silver-very-nice-coin-/320792778307?pt=UK_Coins_USA_RL&hash=item4ab0bd5643 First thought was that it's cheap. Then I saw it was in Pounds, but still inexpensive. When I compared it Heritage, it didn't look right. Second thought was a different variety. I could find no evidence of a second variety for 1815 Quarters (though I did get sidetracked on a well know countermark {E or L}) Then I saw why it looked off. The dentils are too close to the date on the subject coin. Am I right?
It's cheap because there's 8 days left and perhaps the person selling it wanted a true style auction, let the bidders drive the price up. It's too hard to tell though from the one pic they provided. I'd say in the condition it's in from the pic, this is a VG+ coin that could go easily around $200.00. I'd say if you're interested, perhaps have the seller post more pics, perhaps closer and more details as well. At least post a pic of the back of it as well. To my knowledge, there is only one variety of this coin and from what else I've seen. Here's what looks like a genuine picture of one you can compare to: http://www.coinfacts.com/quarter_do...uarter_dollars/1815_quarter_dollar_b1_obv.jpg
I think that is a fake..I compared it to a 1814 and 1815/2 off of Heritage and noticed that the number "1" in the date is more slanted on the ebay picture then the others.Also, why didnt the seller show a picture of the reserve?
1814? They didn't make an 1814 Capped Bust Quarter dollar though? Sure you weren't looking at half dollars for comparison?
Interesting coin. As mentioned there is only one variety for 1815. This doesn't match it. The dentical positioning to the stars doesn't match, the dentical to date positioning doesn't match (For example on the known variety the 5 is almost centered over a dentical, on this one it is almost centered over the gap between denticals.) The left edge of the hair curl over the date is also centered over the 1. On the known variety it is over the right edge of the 1. This is either a very good fake or altered coin, or it is a new variety. I wish the pictures were larger and there were pictures of the reverse.
I don't like the denticle positions either. But it appears genuine in many other ways. I can't imagine it's been altered. There really isn't a cheaper type 1 CBQ. Altered coins are supposed to fake more valuable ones. Of course it could be counterfeit. If I had to guess I'd say fake but I'm not comfortable reporting it. Lance.
I think it's just a poor angle and poor picture. I grabbed the picture and put lines over the spots you said don't align to known varieties. Seems putting lines through help see it a little more clearer, especially the dentical which shows it is more center from the 5 than the 5 centered inbetween the two denticals. It's hard to tell but even from the 1, I drew the line from the far right point. I couldn't zoom too much on this picture, it gets too pixelated. Like I said, I think it's a really poor picture with a really poor angle that makes it appear the hair and dentical don't line up but under a zoom with lines, seems to match more accordingly. I'll tell you what though, I'm watching the auction, if it stays rather cheap, I'll buy it and take a chance, then once in my hands, we'll really know then if it's a fake or not.
That could be a problem because I was planning the same thing. I have requested better larger pictures and pictures of both sides.
I captured these images and put them side by side for comparison. Then enlarged them a bit. The two things that stand out are the position of the date is closer to the bust than the dentils on the Heritage image while the tip of the ribbon is centered between the 1 and 8. The subject coin is closer to the dentils and the tip of the ribbon is closer to the 1 than the 8. Thirteenth star on Heritage points AT dentil. Subject points BETWEEN dentils. I'm thinking fake (high probability though a VERY good fake) or a new variety. Now a contrary point. Both appear to have the little die break between 1 and 8 though the Heritage image is far more advanced. It is unlikely two varieties would have this same break. It's certainly something intriguing.
Star 7 on the real one points between two denticals, on the subject coin it point s at a dentical. Star 9 points at a dentical on the real on and at the upper half of a dentical on the subject coin. Star 13 points at a dentical on the real one and between denticals on the subject coin. And one the enlarge images that Marshall shows it is clear that the dentical arrangement under the 5 is different. The 1815 does not come with a die crack or break between the 1 and 8 on any of it's die states. I think you are seeing an artifact in the image, possibly due to lighting.
I'll tell you this.. the wear pattern and patina are similar to the current crop of Chinese "replicas"...
No i didn't get it. Internet went down yesterday and I probably wouldn't have spent that much for what is probably a fake anyway.
