What do think about this some will love some will hate it

People most definitely did make money on Carr's overstirke coins. The most notable were the 1964 Peace dollars, I forget the exact price but off of Carr's website they were being sold for $100-$170 (Depending on the option). The demand was high, and they quickly sold out. Many people flipped them on eBay, I believe the prices were around $350 a coin, some higher, some lower, but a decent profit none the less.

But, no one was tricked. The coins were all clearly described as overstrike coins, and people were quite happy to get one. So, I'm not sure what point you're trying to get across, unless that point was that there are many people who like Mr. Carr's coins.

 

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Love the Rhode Island Quarter. Hate these fake Morgans.

 

You have failed to fully consider what is a "counterfeit" coin, vs. what is an "altered" coin.
Is a carved "Hobo" nickel a counterfeit ? No.
Is a painted Silver Eagle a counterfeit ? No.
Is a gold-plated state quarter a counterfeit ? No.
Is a Lincoln cent with a state outline punched into it a counterfeit ? No.

 

Hey I'm sorry. Knee-jerk reaction? The quotation above was rude, but I find it ironic that everyone was stating their opinion, and feelings on the coin, but when you show up on the scene everyone crawled back in their turtle shell. "Mr. Carr...pfffff" was not an attempt to paint you as a low down character, but show that I was not impressed with the apple polishing. I guess I was using "counerfeit" out of context, but I don't see anything different here besides a numerical change. I'll be more careful in the future with my wording. BTW I was never impressed with the painted silver eagle.

 

Daniel: Any chance we will see an 1970 S mint marked 40% silver Ike fantasy overstrike coin from you? Thanks, TC

 

No exaggerating needed, when I came in things were getting ugly and way beyond anyone's opinion. Besides that, you weren't even in the equation of my conversation. Relax amigo, I am not your problem.

 

Okay, we're cool!

Chris

 

Sorry for the rants. Sometimes I can be extreme. It is obvious I had no idea what I was talking about, and although I would never buy one of these coins, I no longer consider them counterfeit. Sorry Daniel

 

It takes a big man to admit he was wrong on a public forum. Good job JCB...

 

Your a real gem! It's quite amusing to see you trying to reweave the intent of your original thoughts and tip toe out of this now that you got called on it by not only me but by the very person you criticized in the first place by commenting in this thread. Tossing the word "opinion" in there only technically covers your but from claims implying you to be libelous. There you are even mocking litigation in post #56. You do nothing but clown about these threads bleating your 'opinions' in a myriad of threads, and it often draws the ire of others here for your casual lack of facts to back them up or for their attempt to derail the OP to some other experience you want to recount.

You can also stop trying to bait the argument by twisting my own defense of this subject. You simply failed to communicate through your 'opinions' in your original post on the subject and now want to cover your butt on the topic, in do doing, attempting to seed further misconceptions to debase my own complaints of what you and others have tried to do here. This is not an attempt to flame you nor advertise someone else's work as you so trivially continue to talk about this, it's about demoting any lazy opinions and inaccuracies that serve to confuse others on the subject, which your comments effectively served to do. Take more responsibility for your opinions where facts are called for and you might earn more respect that take fire in threads, do that more often, and you'll be "cool".

 

+1 Thank you.

 

Ok, I can understand that, for the most part. I don't expect everyone will want (or even like) these over-struck coins. But my main motiviation for making them is to have fun. I am a coin collector myself, and I think like one. And when I think of something that would be neat to have, I make it.

Yes, I could make high-quality fakes of actual US coins. But I have chosen to limit my activities to what is legal - changing the dates on existing coins to dates that don't exist. As long as I market them as modern private over-strikes, there is no problem. And my process for making them is a trade secret. Fortunately, even if an actual counterfeiter were to learn those secrets, they would still find it extremely difficult to replicate what I do. However, examining the characteristics of my over-strikes can help someone learn to spot actual counterfeits that may be produced using similar methods.

PS:
Note that ANACS will certify anything I produce, including the over-struck coins. Of course, they are appropriately certified by ANACS as modern over-strikes. I'm probably the only person who has their own label used by a coin certification/grading copmpany.

 

A 1 oz silver coin of Ron Paul would be nice.

 

I've made several:

 

I'm impressed by Mr. Carr's process and the artwork of his "tokens" and wouldn't mind owning a few myself. However, I thought Bernard Von Nothaus was on solid ground until the FEDs confiscated his business and threw him in jail!! In the BVN case, the Government (among other statutes) used U.S.C. 18 § 486 to prosecute the case...

§ 486 obviously doesn't apply to Mr. Carr's products, but § 489 might...:kewl:

You might be OK if you get prior approval...hopefully you did!

 

VonNothaus and the Liberty Dollar was an organization that actively promoted the use of their tokens in commerce as legal tender, as a substitute for Federal Reserve Notes. The "FED" will come down on anybody attempting to do that.

In contrast, I'm not claiming or promoting a legal tender status for anything I make. And, when I over-strike a coin, I never change the apparent face value of it.

 

I'm on your side and I love your work; I would hate to see anything bad happen...that's all. You seem to create a non-legal tender token that has the "likeness or similitude" to a legal tender coin. I don't think the Government cares that the source of the raw material is from a previously legal tender coin...but I could be wrong. Best of luck to you!! :thumb:

 

If Mr. Carr feels that I have slighted him in some way, then he is welcome to discuss it with me.

You have shown in the past that you don't like me, and you know what? I really don't care! I shall consider anything you have to say nothing more than garbage.

Chris

 

Cry me a river. I don't dislike you at all. Period. You fail to recognize that what I dislike are your flippant comments, which all too often are just lazy or worse, attempt to change topics. They're all too frequently paired with your personal complaints from your past that you wish to air in other peoples threads. So like I keep saying, stay focused and accurate and you'll draw less ire from the community. Do that and as you seem to want 'respect' it will likely follow. I don't know how much more plainly I can tell you that I don't dislike you, so I won't further, here.

 

I like everybody! :luckyguy: