I'm sorry to say we have an Unethical and Unprofessional CoinTalk Member....

I whole heartedly agree

 

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Or he may have returned the coin, we don't know.

Charmy accepts returns, so the opportunity cost is always there any time anyone returns a coins. Are you saying any time someone returns a coin it's a foul?

Except Charmy did not say anything to correct this behavior, and it's entirely plausible that Mr. H did not now what he was doing was wrong. If he had been corrected and still went and asked for pictures that would be different.

There are enough details in her post that I found the person on the forum. I don't see what benefit anyone on this forum gains from the story, are you not going to be friends with Mr. H now? Are you not going to do business with him? Like I said, we disagree on calling foul, there was no harm here, so there is nothing to keep 'secret' other than this guys personal way of conducting business.

I am having a tough time determining if I should even post this due to you last comment. I fail to see how this guy 'shafted' anyone? I understand Charmy is a very well respected dealer around here, it's obvious to me after reading some of her trip reports why that's so, but you are white knighting a bit here.

 

Correct, they need not be illegal to be wrong. The question becomes do we publicly shame everyone who acts stupidly, or do we save that for people who actually do something which causes harm. Again, this seems like poor social skills over wrongdoing to me. Just my contrarian point of view...

 

Will he be paying any of the bank fee's you could incur for having deposited a check thats no good?

 

I would tell MR. H to go to H
No good deed goes unpunished

 

I think that you've missed the boat on this since financial charges were and would certainly be incurred.

IMO, this type of "window shopping" is a no-no especially when it gets to the point of the buyer putting a "stop payment" on a check for a coin that he hasn't even seen yet.

When folks buy from me, returns are more than welcome once they've seen the coin in hand.

The actions of this buyer were simply rude.

 

You can't blame him for contacting the photographer. I don't get the point of that part of the story.

Bottom line is he cancelled three orders.

The guy was wrong to make a firm deal and not honor it the first two times. But after that you let him do it again. He probably thought it was ok after you let him get away with it twice.

So yeah he was unethical to break a deal. You were unprofessional to let him get you the third time.

 

I assumed if she did incur some cost she would have included that in the complaint. She did not include it, so I assume she did not have any costs. But you are correct, I could be wrong.

I agree his actions were rude, they were inconsiderate, they were socially very awkward. That is certainly enough to say I won't do business with the person again, but I don't see enough there to call someone out.

Following your logic, had he waited to receive the coin, even with no intention of keeping it, and then immediately returned it, that would be better. Which sounds to me like his behavior is upsetting because it's overtly rude, it shows a lack of social skills, not because he said he wanted the coin and then decided he didn't.

 

When you shake on a deal, you're committing to it (you're giving your word that you're really buying it). The way I think about it is that when you buy a coin you don't return it unless there is something wrong with it. In other words you don't keep shopping around for another one after you've committed to the purchase.

 

You might enjoy this: Grumpy Customer

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He didn't decide he didn't want the coin, he bought another one instead and then never bothered to explain what was occuring despite being prompted to do so.

Had he taken a minute to explain instead of being "found out" due to his own ignorance, I'm sure that Charmey would have let it pass.

However, IMO, there's not really any harm in "warning" others about a specific person's business actions should they choose to deal with this individual in the future.

A Zebra can't change it's stripes.

 

You have every right to post if you choose. You still feel this guy did not in anyway shaft Charmy or possibly anyone else. You can have that opinion, but why get snide with a comment like this? Simply because I responded to your post? Everyone here that posts take the chance that someone will write something that refutes it or offers a different opinion or something. ....... Also I'm not whiteknighting her or putting her on any pedestal. She could have simply kept this to herself, and I think from your comments you would have preferred that, but she also had the option of not keeping it to herself, which is what she chose to do.

 

Exactly!

 

Frankly I cannot imagine having a problem with any coin I would have bought from Charmy, the photos she has taken of her coins are superior to those of many large auction houses. But then the real problem was not the coin, but rather the buyer and shifting desires and purchases.

Hopefully if said buyer has the portend to read this they will remember - Karma can be a real B**** when it catches up with you.

 

Sorry to hear someone would do that to you charmy. I would certainly let the other dealers on the site know. I do agree it was unethical and unprofessional. Maybe this person would like to apologize and post an explanation here.

 

My only suggestion is not to sell any coins to beef as well. Just kidding, partially kidding. I don't know beef from Adam but you are wrong sir and you may have chosen the wrong hobby to get into. JMHO

Alot of business in the coin world is done upon trust and reputation. Which basically means if I tell a seller that I want to buy a specific coin then that seller can count on me to send payment and complete our agreement/transaction. Charmy did everything right and the buyer did everything wrong. I have an idea who the buyer is but it would be sooooo much better if the subject buyer would join this conversation and stand up for their actions. For all we know the buyer is having problems with Alzheimers or something, a brief explanation goes a long way buyer... Better luck next time Charmy.

 

...and the worst part is that some people (such as myself! ) will try to figure out who it is and could form a nasty opinion toward someone who is completely innocent.

 

Maybe, maybe not. I think the lesson learned is that not everyone conducts themselves with integrity, but there's also the chance the person will realize what went on and make a huge change in habits when buying. In that case, problem solved.