1 Dollar Error Note Help !

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by tonedcoins, Nov 5, 2011.

  1. tonedcoins

    tonedcoins New Member

    Ok guys, I am in need of help here in identifying this note. First of, I am selling a couple of notes starting tonight but I am stuck on this one. I believe it to be authentic but I want to hear you guys opinions on that as well. The issue I am having is what error would this be called?

    As you can see, the complete federal reserve seal and the frame around the bust of Washington has a fair amount of smearing. Now, I know pretty much a lot when it comes to error notes, however, I am stuck on how is it possible to have a partial federal reserve seal which also seems to be "inverted"?

    I do have a doubt of its authenticity simply because it looks as if the original federal reserve seal was made to bleed its ink and then the note semi-folded to where part of it touches the seal and then creating the partial seal. Is that a possibility or is that not possible to do? Then again, I doubt that too because no other part of the note is re-pressed, thus creating anything partial.

    So, as you can see, I need help, info and or opinions. I am totally lost on this one. :desk:

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  3. Shoewrecky

    Shoewrecky Coin Hoarder

    that is interesting and not sure if it is real of a good fake. Giving you a bump because I am interested to know as well.
     
  4. tbudwiser

    tbudwiser Active Member

    That doesn't look like any ligit error I've ever seen before. I'd say it is a manufactured... Sorry. But, I am no error expert. Lets wait and see what the error experts of this forum have to say about it. It just don't look like something that could have possibly happened during printing process.
     
  5. tonedcoins

    tonedcoins New Member

    HA! I found it kids. It is a FAKE error. After looking at the bill zoomed in, I noticed a light fold line and the dots connected perfectly. As my "suspicions" indicated, the bill was (somehow) bled and folded to acquire the fake, extra federal reserve seal. Whom ever did this did a pretty good job but left some evidences showing which concluded to it's authentication as a fake error.

    Below, you will see my pictures of the closeup. One will be the normal image and the other a "messy" color editing I did to show and compare where the similarities of the fakers mistakes were. The white line running in between the colors indicates the fold. The colors indicate where the bled ink touched with the rest of the bill, thus creating very light duplicate areas of the other side.

    It is weird I got this from a bank, unnoticed (obviously) and I kept it for almost 4 years now in my collection. However, I don't mind because it was free and I like it as a study piece. So there ya go. It is a FAke error note on a real federal reserve note.

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  6. tbudwiser

    tbudwiser Active Member

    I knew it... It just doesn't show anything that could resemble a printing error. Sorry about it though... I don't know why people like to make these fake errors.. It can ruin such a good pure hobby. Good luck with selling your other stuff.

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  7. tonedcoins

    tonedcoins New Member

    Thanks...lol
    The other stuff are not fakes or errors. They are large notes, large green seals and brown seals. I appreciate your opinion though and I'm glad I didn't list on the bay and unknowingly messed a newbies future findings. I would have felt bad about that. Now that I know, I will keep it or sell it to someone interested for study purposes only (if I know they are honest).
     
  8. tbudwiser

    tbudwiser Active Member

    I'd keep a note like that just for fun... Especially just because its $1. What are you going to do with it?
     
  9. Dr Kegg

    Dr Kegg Star Note Fanatic

    Glad you were able to find out whether the note was authentic or manufactured. I always look through a microscope to be sure and 99% of the time that is all I need.
     
  10. tbudwiser

    tbudwiser Active Member

    While we're on the subject; I've had a 1990 $100 bill that I've wanted to spend for a while now, but I think it is an error. I started a thread on it a while ago and never really came to a conclusion. Do any of you guys remember that thread? It was when I first came here to CT.
     
  11. tonedcoins

    tonedcoins New Member

    tbudwiser, I am going to keep it for study purposes like I mentioned before. I don't think it is in anybody's interest and I don't want to see it on ebay been passed on as authentic error you know.

    If you find the thread on the dollar bill, I'll have a look. I am pretty good at telling with errors :D
     
  12. tbudwiser

    tbudwiser Active Member

    Excellent! :D This sounds pretty promising. Please keep in mind, the thing that keeps me thinking that this note could be an error is the fact that one time I was glancing through a friends error note book, I noticed the same FRB block and series with the same thing! I don't keep in touch with that friend anymore and I haven't been able to find any information on this error ever again, I just know for sure I remember seeing it in his book, then like a year later, I got one from the bank. My memory is horrible for just about anything you can think of, except cash! One time I left some cash in someones car and they said I could get it back if I told them the serial numbers, jokingly. What they didn't expect was for me to tell them straight up and collect it back. Similar things have happened throughout my life. I'll post the link shortly, I just have to hunt it down. Please give me a sec...
     
  13. tbudwiser

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  14. silversurfer22

    silversurfer22 New Member

    Would this be considered a minor ink smear/error or a normal run of the mill note?

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  15. tbudwiser

    tbudwiser Active Member

    It's not dramatic enough to be an "error". Sorry. Good luck with your future searches.
     
  16. tonedcoins

    tonedcoins New Member

    See, this is the thing. Many collectors would consider it an error. We are just a different breed which sees it as minor, not worth the effort to collect or sell. But I would call it a minor ink smear error with little to non value. However, someone out there is willing to pay an extra buck for it.
     
  17. tbudwiser

    tbudwiser Active Member

    Whoever out there that is willing to an extra buck for it would get ripped off then, because these minor inking errors are extremely common and I could go grab a strap of $1's from the bank right now and get maybe 20-30 of them that have this "minor error". So are you telling me that I can may $20-$30 bucks a strap?? Where can I sell them? Sign me up. Did you ever get a chance to check out my $100?
     
  18. silversurfer22

    silversurfer22 New Member

    Thanks for your input tonedcoins (and tbudwiser). I'm going to keep this one as its the closest thing to an error I've found so far. I don't doubt it's authenticity since I pulled it from a BEP strap.
     
  19. Searcher64

    Searcher64 Member

    It's doctored. All that was done, was the bill was folded, and an object was used, to rub on the reverse side area to transfer the ink onto the obv area. Not done at the plant.
     
  20. tbudwiser

    tbudwiser Active Member

    Good information; except your a little late on it haha.:)
     
  21. Dr Kegg

    Dr Kegg Star Note Fanatic

    This would not be considered an ink smear error, but more of a post-production rubbing effect. You can tell that due to the black AND green ink on the note. If it were one or the other, than most likely could have been seen as the smear error from the BEP.
     
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