Most Ruthless Dictator on a Coin

no that was hindenberg.............back on track, has anyone found a transylvanian coin with vlad the impaler on it? arguably the most evil man who has existed, and the model for dracula.





http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/history/vl... - 67k

 

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I do not believe Vlad Tepis has a portrait coin, or a direct coin at all. I know his uncle had coins struck.

I wouldn't say he was the most evil ever. He got his affinity for impaling battling turks invading his country. He was actually a national hero until he got too popular and other nobility turned on him. Btw, Dracula means son of Dracul, which means dragon. His father was awarded the highest papal military honor, the order of the dragon, for defending SE Europe from muslim invaders. Vlad was following the same policy, initially with Papal blessing.

Chris

 

I prefer not "ruthless" but greatest dictator in the Modern History. This is my vote. Joseph Stalin - is the most popular ruler in a Modern Russia.

 

Nah. The most ruthless was Dick Cheney, though not on a coin.

 

This, sir, really is at the crux of world view differences between Russia and the West. I know what you say is true, I have had exchange students from Russia who believed similar. I mean you no disrespect, I consider you a friend, but based upon what we have been taught and what we read we simply cannot comprehend how a nation can glorify a ruler who singularly was responsible for 40+ million deaths of his own countrymen. My Russian student, after I gave her some reading material about Stalin's era, did change her mind. She said no word of the deaths were ever mentioned in her schooling. Stalin was definitely complex, and did do things that benefitted Russia, so in a sense you are right maybe he shouldn't be thought of as pure evil. However, after readin Solzhenitsen, (sp?) and many other accounts simply can never forgive his gulags, which were just as abhorrent as similar nazi camps.

Like I said sir, no disrespect, and I know many if not most Russians feel the same, its just a fact that utterly baffles most westerners. To us it is akin to Cambodians glorifying Pol Pot, or gypsies glorifying Hitler.

What is really unusual is that Russians are much more pasionate about him than Georgians are, (he was Georgian for others who do not know that).

Like I said earlier, this entire thread will depend on yoru world view, and nothing in this post is meant to criticize yours.

Chris

 

Thank you very much, Sir for your opinion. But I see a several interesting mistakes. When You said about 40 millions sacrifices - do you mean 27 millions people that were murdered by a fascists at 1941-1945? Or no?
It's very interesting historical subject!
Let's try to imagine Soviet Russia at 1924 (when Vladimir Lenin has died and Joseph Stalin became the ruler).
1. Friends / adversaries a) friends: only Republic of Mongolia.
b) adversaries: UK, Poland, France, Hungary, Romania, Japan, Turkey, Italy.
2. Economy. a) hyperinflation, stagnation of industry b) primitive agriculture (no tractors and other agricultural machines).
3. Army: no tanks (almost), no planes (almost), archaic naval fleet, archaic machine-guns, archaic submarines.
4. Social guarantee: low income of a population, low level of a medical guarantee, low level of an education.

What J. Stalin did at 1924-1953 (until he was a ruler).
1. He made a new great army with a modern weapons (excellent tanks, planes, submarines, naval ships etc.)
2. He made an industrial revolution. Winston Churchill said: “Stalin accepted Russia “with an old plough” and gave with an nuclear weapon.
3. He made a very high quality of education for each people and great level of sciences (chemistry, physics, mathematics etc.)
4. He was the Commander-in-Chief during the WW II and USSR has won the war against the fascists.
5. During his “reign” a corruption level was low.
6. No racism (for example, at the same time in the Southern states there was a racial segregation).

And let’s try to imagine what we are (Russians) have now!
1. Very high corruption level.
2. Rather low incomes.
3. Expensive food and petrol.
4. Racism (like in USA’s South at the XIXth century - almost daily attacks on Negroes) . And each normal Russian don’t like such a public phenomena. And that is why we have a nostalgia on Stalin who wasn't the racist, who wasn’t the thief and the exchange speculator. [FONT=&amp]We simply were tired of bureaucracy, silly and greedy officials, thieves and racism. [/FONT][FONT=&amp]We want an order and justice[/FONT]

 

I do not disagree with your want of a better country sir, but the 40+ million I am referring to are Soviet citizens tortured and murdered in gulags, intentionally starved to death to sell food to raise foreign capital, and other events. This number is agreed upon around the world as the number of Soviet citizens killed intentionally by this man. It has no bearing on WWII, and occurred before the first shot was fired.

Not wanting to get into a disagreement with you sir, I understand your world view, just pointing out why the west views Russia opinion of Stalin with bewilderment. It just shows how much different our cultures can be, but it is still my hope these differences can be bridged, since I still view the US and Russia as having more in common than different.

Chris

 

It is told that he was particularly ruthless with those who chose not to follow the rules of the forum!

 

Let's not forget the Great Purge or Yezhovshchina during 1936-1938 where J. Stalin not only had "sabateurs and dissidents" removed from the party, but also anyone else who dared speak out against Stalin's motives. Over a million people were executed in direct relation to this, or sent to Gulags where they faced the same sort of fate that those in Polish and German concentration camps did during WWII. This included the intelligentsia, Mongolians, the army, ethnic minorities, and politcal dissidents like Trotsky. While Stalin said that it was stopped in 1938, it continued until his death. All of that and I didn't even take the time to mention the horrors the farmers faced as a result of the 5-year plans.

Stalin gets my vote for most ruthless Dictator on a coin.

 

I think Stalin is held in high regard in Russia, and it could be our different outlooks as citizens of vastly different countries to keep us from coming to an agreement on this or the opposite, that he was a brutal dictator. I've been to Russia once, a few years back, and it was quite an experience. The Russians are warm, wonderful people who have a great love of country and national heros. I would recommend that anyone who has the opportunity to go (even if you can't speak a word of Russian) should go, and go with an open mind.
I do look forward to being able to go back at sometime in the future, if the opportunity arises.

Kasia

 

While in Transylvania last year, I was told an urban legend. Apparently, in the day of Dracula, you could leave your bag of gold coins in the center of the town square. The next day you could return & all your coins would be waiting for you. You see, nobody would steal them for fear of what would happen to them for stealing.

 

franco of spain, a nasty fascist dictator who outlasted hitler and mussolini

 

it was a brilliant joke though doug...........

 

Continuing that ruthless reign I see.
Although turning people into rabbits isn't quite what I was expecting.....

 

It is not true that Stalin never appeared on Russian coin. On two commemorative coins did he appear:

http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/Base_of_memorable_coins/coins.asp?cat_num=5117-0002

http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/Base_of_memorable_coins/coins.asp?cat_num=5117-0027

 

OK, now that you have brought out the bad boys of history, why not give them some female companionship. Who will you nominate as the most ruthless queens of history? I'll start off with Didda Rani of Kashmir who killed off enough of her grandchildren that she was succeeded by a nephew. Unfortunately she, too, did not put her face on the coins. I know our Russian and British collectors will have a few bad girls.

 

This sounds more 'efficient' than 'ruthless'. My question is whether you would feel safe returning the next day and picking up your own bag of coins? Frequently a sign of 'ruthless' is to impail now and ask questions later.

I have seen a number of coins of Vlad's relatives sold often with the note that they were the closest you could get to Vlad himself who issued no coins. True?

 

Elagabalus' grandmother? She had her own daughter and grandson killed to put her other grandson on the throne to stay in power. Maybe not the worst, but not a nice lady.