No, Of course not, and If I implied that, I apologize for my wording. I said this in the previous posting I thought this indicated I was 'believing you had seen such' as that is what I intended. I didn't say I "didn't accept" what you said. There are a lot of thing I believe in , even though I <strong>personally</strong> haven't seen them, such as dark matter, Quantum effects, synthetic life, etc., because they fit into known sets of chemical and physical events. The original argument was against "that acetone reacted with metals and alloys such as coinage (paraphrased)", not that acetone couldn't react to material on the coin metal surface. I do not believe acetone can directly react with copper, no matter how reactive copper is, in environments that we normal exist, based on even the latest chemical evidence. Even seeing a reaction would only lead me to the conclusion that<strong> something on the metal was reacting, not the metal itself. I have faith that if it was PVC , acetone could remove it, but not copper metal. I am confident that I could put a single BU lincoln cent in acetone for 15 minutes, remove, let dry , and weigh to 0.0001 grams, and put into a sealed glass jar of acetone, and leave it for 5 years, that it would weight the same when I removed, dried and weighed it again. Doug , I meant no disrespect for you or your opinion, just that I disagreed with the conclusions reached. IMO. Jim
Well what would the solution be? More soaking time in the acetone? I am a firm believer in distilled water dips after anything being done to a coin. If this reaction occured, would further acetone dips and distilled water baths remove it? Sorry but I have had too many bad things happen when I did not rinse in distilled water over the years to ever do anything to a coin without this step. Chris
Then tell me this, why does it only happen with copper ? Nobody ever, ever, sees it happen with silver, gold, or nickel coins. It only happens with copper coins. So whatever it is, it has to have something to do with the copper.
Yeah I know. I have more than considerable experience with acetone, and not just on coins. I'm not claiming it does remove anything. But it stops the white haze from appearing and that's all that matters. And yes I know it re-hydrates the coin. That is the whole point, to do exactly that. It's gonna get re-hydrated anyway just from being in the air.
Every coin and surface residue problem is different, I cannot really answer your question. However, I always recommend using the solvent polarity ladder when performing a conservation. 1) distilled water 2) acetone 3) xylene
On another note, I just placed an aluminum SCD in acetone and got a massive amount of a plastic like residue off of a 38mm SCD. Has anyone heard of medals being dipped in plastic or did I remove a massive amount of plastic residue?
Thad I kind of look at it like this. You have a medical condition and need to take medicine A. You have no problems with taking medicine A. But then something else comes along and you need to take medicine B. Now you have no problems taking medicine B by itself either. But, if you take medicine B, and you take medicine A at the same time - you die. Now you didn't die because of either medicine, by itself. You died because of the combination of the two medicines together. Medicine A didn't kill you, and medicine B didn't kill you. But you are still dead. Mixing copper and acetone are the same kind of thing to me. Maybe copper doesn't react with acetone, you could be 100% correct. But there is something that happens sometimes when acetone is used on copper, and only on copper. And for all intents and purposes - your coin might die.
SCD is a so called dollar. Rather it was an aluminum medal made for the Columbian exposition in 1893. I looked at a photograph of what a better example looked like and determined that some kind of paint/varnish had been used to give it a dark background. The example I had still had the substance on it but the darker background had turned into a light gray opaque substance. When I dipped it into the acetone all the substance came off at one time. Rather be careful of dipping medals they may have an organic substance placed onto it when it was made. At the very least the stuff that comes off will mess up any container you have the acetone and the medal in.
Based on this and your subsequent post, my guess would be that you removed a goodly amount of old PVC contamination. No So Called Dollars were dipped/coated in plastic because plastic didn't exist when they were made. As for it maybe being coated with plastic at a later date, that too is doubtful because even today getting your hands on liquid plastic is not exactly easy. Now it is possible that the coin was coated with a shellac, lacquer, or varnish. But I doubt that because of the way you describe it coming off. None of those would come off quickly, or even soon. They would come off very slowly and a little at a time.
Thanks for the information. I was beginning to wonder if I should dip medals. I still am amazed how much came off and how badly it "glued" things together.