Large cents: 179? and 1837, new aquistitions.

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by ratio411, Sep 25, 2011.

  1. ratio411

    ratio411 Active Member

    Actually the 179x was found years ago by my grandfather in Maryland.
    The 1837 was mine as a child, but my grandfather ended up with it.
    He passed almost 20 years ago... my uncle got his collection.
    Anyway, my uncle gave me a portion of the collection last weekend, and these were in it.

    I thought scanning might make the early cent more identifiable, but it is actually harder to see detail in the scan.

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    1837combo.jpg
     
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  3. ratio411

    ratio411 Active Member

    Btw: You'll have to overlook the lint on the scanning bed. It was my fault. I wiped the bed before scanning.
     
  4. ratio411

    ratio411 Active Member

    I hoped someone would venture a guess as to the year of the early cent...
    I think it looks like a 1796, but the 6 I see is not positioned like the 6 in my redbook.
    So... maybe a 5?
     
  5. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Sorry I can't see it well enough to venture a date , maybe a pic instead of a scan would help . Then you could highlight it or photoshop the date for visibility .
     
  6. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Looks like a 1798. Appears to be a type 2 hair which means 1798 or 1799 and the Liberty is too close to the head to be a 99.
     
  7. lkeigwin

    lkeigwin Well-Known Member

    I agree. 1798 hairstyle 2.
    Lance.
     
  8. Lugia

    Lugia ye olde UScoin enthusiast

    theyre pretty worn but i like em. imagine how many different people could of handled 1798 draped bust cent.
     
  9. ratio411

    ratio411 Active Member

    Thanks!
    That's just the info I needed.
    I was thinking 96, but the "6" wasn't postitioned the same as others I have seen.

    I think 98 is a good call from that info.
    I knew someone could pick out details I'd never see.
    Thanks again!
     
  10. lkeigwin

    lkeigwin Well-Known Member

    The 1837 appears to be a "head of 1838". The scan isn't great and there's a lot of gunk in Liberty's hair but it looks like a beaded cord, not a plain one.

    It appears to be the N10 variety. The first T in STATES is a little high and tilts left, which is the diagnostic.

    Have you tried xylene to clean up some of the grime? It's Xylol, commercially.
    Lance.
     
  11. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Wow - you guys ahave better eyes than me and I know what to look for, but just can't make it out.
     
  12. ratio411

    ratio411 Active Member

    I don't have any Xylene right now.
    I was wondering about that glob of gunk and how to get it off.
    Anything else work without hurting the coin?
     
  13. lkeigwin

    lkeigwin Well-Known Member

    Mark, see if you agree on the 1798.
    Lance.

    1st style
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    2nd style
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    Op's (rotated for easier comparison)
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  14. lkeigwin

    lkeigwin Well-Known Member

    Acetone is friendly on old copper. Not quite as effective as xylene on old copper. You should be able to get either, in good quality, from a hardware store.
    Lance.
     
  15. ratio411

    ratio411 Active Member

    Type 2 IMO if you look at the bottom of the "T" and "Y" in 'LIBERTY'.
     
  16. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Nice pictures for comparison. And not I still do not see it, but know what you all are saying. When I looked at the Original pictures I see the corrosion around the head - then you get to the hair. It becomes - is it corrosion or part of the hair. Or is it both. In the original pictures all I could make was an outline of the head and ER. Nothing else. I played with it for a couple of minutes, but it did not become clearer. Which is why I said you all have better eyes that me - you all can tell the difference.
     
  17. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    PS - Can you send me the top two coins so I can study them in hand? :)
     
  18. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I think it's too far gone to identify by variety, but I think it's a 1796 because it's a draped bust and the last digit looks rounded.

    The R appears to be type 1 with a straight tail, though that is not rock solid with this degree of wear and corrosion. If it is, then it would be limited to 1796, 1797 and the obverses 1, 2, 5 and 6 of 1798. Each of the 1798's has the HWH left of the upright of the R unlike the subject.

    For this reason, I suspect 1796. There are far too many obverses of 1796 which match up with what can be seen on the subject to get any further.
     
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