28 Bustie Half AT or NOT

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  1. JJK78

    JJK78 Member

    I thought that coin smelled funny :D Nice research too!
     
    JJK78, Sep 8, 2011
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  3. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Excellent detective work!
     
    BadThad, Sep 8, 2011
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  4. lkeigwin

    lkeigwin Well-Known Member

    I did a little digging too. I found an 1827 and 1829 CBH he bought at the same auction, each in a BB slab. "Spot on obverse removed", "improper cleaning". I also found an 1852-O $1G in an NGC genuine holder with a notation that it was "bent".

    I am certain we can find more, but what's the point? It's clear this seller is unscrupulous. I'm adding him to my ebay blocked bidder list and tagging him as an unethical seller.
    Lance.
     
    lkeigwin, Sep 9, 2011
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  5. mikem2000

    mikem2000 Lost Cause

    Yes, it is a shame, but it looks like we made a small differance with this thread. The EBAY auction has been taken down. It was at $560 this morning with it closing tonight.

    Score one for the good guys:)
     
    mikem2000, Sep 9, 2011
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  6. LindeDad

    LindeDad His Walker.

    Some people really do stir the pot well. That seller had several auctions taken down.
     
    LindeDad, Sep 10, 2011
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  7. jloring

    jloring Senior Citizen

    Better brush up on your studies.
     
    jloring, Sep 10, 2011
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  8. LindeDad

    LindeDad His Walker.

    I think most will say that natural toning on this series tends to be more subdued.
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    LindeDad, Sep 10, 2011
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  9. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Well looks like they still have one auction up:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1799-Early-Dollars-Silver-Dollar-scratched-/230670033042?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item35b5016092

    http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=1158&lotNo=10686#Photo

    This is a common occurence on ebay and this is not the only seller to do it. Also there are other sellers who win coins off heritage, mark them up 30% to 50%. I can't believe how many of them get sold. It surprises me when people shy away from Heritage because of the prices, yet then go and actually spend more off ebay. Before I buy a graded coin off ebay or a dealer I check heritage to see if it has been sold their.
     
    mark_h, Sep 10, 2011
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  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Why ? Because NGC said it was AT ?

    That doesn't prove it is AT, it could still very well be natural toning. All that label means is that this time NGC's guess went to the AT side instead of their guess going to the NT side.
     
    GDJMSP, Sep 11, 2011
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  11. rev1774

    rev1774 Well-Known Member

    like I said, I didn't know if it were NT or AT but I still like it... shame about it being cracked out though and sold falsely..
     
    rev1774, Sep 11, 2011
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  12. jloring

    jloring Senior Citizen

    I would think they would state "questionable" toning if there was any possiblity of it being AT. Regardless, making a statement that it is "completely natural" is also wrong.
     
    jloring, Sep 11, 2011
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  13. Vess1

    Vess1 CT SP VIP Supporter

    I agree. I thought AT on this one right away. You just don't see this. I made the mistake buying a seated half one time that was just like this. I would have passed on this one. It is nice to see it sent to NGC and have the argument settled though. To make an argument that that is NT is a stretch to me. Any time both sides look the same , with the same color and pattern on a coin you normally don't see toned, it sends up red flags to me. Not saying it was impossible for it to tone naturally like this. Just that the odds lean heavily towards AT to me.
     
    Vess1, Sep 11, 2011
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  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    But they don't say questionable, when in doubt they say AT. Neither do they label a coin natural, when they think it's natural they don't say anything at all they just put it in a regular slab.

    My point is this - they (NGC) don't know if a coin is AT or NT. All they can do is guess just like the rest of us. And NGC's guess doesn't prove anything anymore than yours or mine does.

    It is merely their opinion - not a fact.
     
    GDJMSP, Sep 11, 2011
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  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Don't see it ? You must look at different coins than I do.

    http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=402&lotNo=683



    And there are plenty more to be found on Heritage in both NGC and PCGS slabs. And yes they are toned on both sides.

    And you'll also find plenty of them similar to this that are slabbed as AT.
     
    GDJMSP, Sep 11, 2011
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