1949 FBL Franklins

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  1. edssco

    edssco Junior Member

    I see NGC values the Franklin half of- MS65 1949-D FBL at $600 and 1949-S MS65 FBL at $425 anybody know why ?
    I see that the have graded about 33% more 1949-D at MS65 FBL , and overall less 1949-s were minted
    I see on the bay the D is going for a lot more too?
     
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  3. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's because pops can be misleading. The higher price on the D is because it is harder to find in 65 FBL.
     
  5. ML94539

    ML94539 Senior Member

    I think for the moment buyers happened to need 1949-D more, there isn't that many of them around, maybe eventually 1949-s will be more in demand.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Maybe, but it hasn't changed in 20 years.
     
  7. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    I agree with Doug.:thumb:
    the only thing that can change is the Population reports, they can't make anymore unless you get a China counterfeit.population can change only when folks crack them out to see if they can get a better grade or have the coin cross over to a different TPG.
    :kewl:
     
  8. ML94539

    ML94539 Senior Member

    population report for 1949-d for pcgs is 434/22 ngc is 135/1

    population report for 1949-s for pcgs is 457/131 ngc is 98/14

    however there seem to be more 1949-s (296) that are were on the market than 1949-d (183) at heritage.
     
  9. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    Don't forget, NGC only looks at one set of the two sets of bell lines to designate the FBL.

    PCGS looks at both sets.
     
  10. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    I think you have that backwards.

    *off I go to look it up*
     
  11. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    From PGCS:

    When the bottom set of lines across the Liberty Bell is complete and uninterrupted, a regular-strike Mint State 60 or above Franklin Half Dollar receives the designation Full Bell Lines (FBL). If these lines are obscured by marks, strike, planchet defects, or other problems, the coin will not receive the FBL designation.


    From NGC:

    I can't find it yet but it's at least as tough as PCGS's and I think it needs both.



    As for the OP's question I think it's just supply and demand. Less out there with the same demand will mean a higher price.
     
  12. LindeDad

    LindeDad His Walker.

    The value of the under grade will be more when the upper grade is smaller in most cases.
     
  13. Farstaff

    Farstaff Member

    NGC is tougher on grading FBL

    From http://franklinhalfguide.com/full-bell-lines/
    "In order to receive the designation, PCGS requires the coins to exhibit complete, uninterrupted lower lines on the Liberty Bell. NGC requires a higher standard to receive the designation, requiring all six lines (upper and lower sets) to be fully visible."

    From http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewarticle.aspx?NewsletterNewsArticleID=76

    The Full Bell Line designation is a designation that NGC applies when both the top and bottom bell lines are struck fully and without interruption.
     
  14. Augustine1992

    Augustine1992 Member

    doesnt make sense to me.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    As I said, pop reports can be misleading. So can mintage numbers. If you want to know what's really going on with coins you have to read the books, and all of the books, not just some of them. That's because different authors often arrive at contradictory conclusions. So it takes some effort to separate the wheat fronm the chaff.

    One of the very best tools there is to help you do that is the market - consistent realized prices for a given coin in a given grade over a protracted period of time. If a certain coin of a given date/mint consistently sells for more than a comparable coin of a different mint, same date then it is because the more expensive coin is harder to find in that grade even though mintage numbers and pop reports may lead you to think otherwise.

    Now this is not true every single time, there are anomalies due to changes in popularity and short term prices, but it is true most of the time.
     
  16. edssco

    edssco Junior Member

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  18. edssco

    edssco Junior Member

    I they have a %100 feedback rating and I used paypay so I hope it works out? maybe thats where they got it from inn 2005?
     
  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Or - they stole a picture from the Heritage archives and used it in their ebay ad. You did ask this seller if you would get the exact coin in the picture I hope.
     
  20. ML94539

    ML94539 Senior Member

    sometimes people buy from one place and sell it later on ebay.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah, and even more times people steal pictures of other coins and use them in their ads.

    Guess we'll find out which happened.
     
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