1861 contemporary counterfeit 3-cent piece?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Collector1966, Aug 13, 2011.

  1. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    I bought this coin about 15 years ago from a trusted dealer and after cursory inspection it seemed to be OK. But after recently looking at photos that I took of the coin, I have concluded that it is a counterfeit. Breen states in his catalog that contemporary counterfeits of the 1861 3-cent silver are known to exist. My question is, how can I tell if if this is actually a contemporary counterfeit?
     

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  3. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    I love contemporary counterfeit 3 Cent Silver pieces - especially those made from hand-cut dies.

    Can you post larger photos of your coin? I cannot enlarge your photos and cannot see much detail in the small photos.
     
  4. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    OK, I'll post some betters photos later.
     
  5. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Here is one that is so crude, it's easy to spot.
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  6. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    Here are some high-resolution pictures
     

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  7. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Those are great, guys. I love these things. Just last week I picked up one on eBay but mine is very weakly struck.
     
  8. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The OP coin is definitely a contemporary counterfeit.
     
  9. LindeDad

    LindeDad His Walker.

    I agree and find it amazing that they actually did them. Time and labor must of been cheaper back then.
     
  10. Iskae

    Iskae New Member

    How can you tell? The United States of America looks a little strange to me, but I'm not sure that's the giveaway.
     
  11. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Look at the edges of the Roman numeral 3 (III) on the reverse and note how uneven the edges are.
     
  12. Iskae

    Iskae New Member

    Thanks
     
  13. swhuck

    swhuck Junior Member

    The lettering is also a giveaway.

    Interesting piece!
     
  14. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    The reverse looks like it has a die clash at the lower right of III. That's really cool. Not sure I have seen that before on a contemporary counterfeit.
     
  15. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    What keyed it for me was the star outlines. They should be evenly spaced and come together sharply at the junctions. Look at the inner junction below TE and the point above the 86. Sloppy. Many of the outline segments extend past their points or jucntions. The outlines of the shield are not even either.
     
  16. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    There was a coin shortage during the Civil War and people eagerly accepted coins when they were offered. Given the small size of the 3-cent coin, most people probably couldn't distinguish the details clearly even on a genuine specimen, so the counterfeiters might have felt this would have been the easiest coin to pass.
     
  17. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Wow, I've never seen one of these before. Thanks for sharing...Mike
     
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