WOW! That sounds like a really interesting job! ...sorry to hear about your eyes, though. From your earlier post, it sounded like this is a fairly common error, most of which are caught before they leave the Mint. Without revealing any US Mint proprietary information, what's your estimation of the OPs coin? ...lack of copper, weight? Deal or No Deal? :scratch:
i am not fighting with other members, i just posted to try and get information. i have never seen machining or buffing that leaves the metal untouched, as i have seen my coin under magnification and it appears untouched. this is what propels me to believe it genuine. i may be mistaken but if this thread is beneath you dont click on it. im not expecting this coin to be worth alot either way. it will go in my collection regardless. so i am still very curious as to the grading of this coin. will the grading companies glance at the coin and see its 1 sided and body bag it or will they look closer and try to explain why they slabbed it the way they did?
In my estimation they will do exactly what many here have done, see its underweight and missing the layering, and body bag it. I too sir have worked in a factory with machining parts. I will tell you point blank that it is extremely easy to shave a coin down so that it is 10x smooth, (smoother than mint blanks). Just because you cannot see any marks does not mean it has not been machined, in fact having no marks to me means it has been machined by common factory machines, and not by some guy in his garage with a belt sander. The equipment that was in my factory, (I was the controller, not a machine operator), would have parts rejected if they were as poor quality as some coins. It was for automotive applications, and had stricter tolerances than the mint would have. Just my opinion. PMD is commonly seen by people as errors, and if the graders cannot readily accept it as a recognized thing that can happen, they will assume PMD and leav it at that. They don't have the time to speculate HOW it may have happened. These people are experts in the minting process, and have seen about everything that CAN go wrong inside the mint. If they do not recognize it as an error, they will leave it at that. Btw, many here are also such experts, and have been trying to give you the same advice. My advice, from a non-error expert, is to simply take it to an error dealer the next time a show is around and ask their opinion. It could save you some money, something we all need to do nowadays. I truly hoped that helped a little. Chris P.S. None of this means its not interesting, adn you shouldn't keep in your collection. I have many items like that, interesting stuff regardless of value.
This forum has really gone downhill if obvious PMD crap like this gets 5 pages. Someone please lock this already.
I'll stir a bit too. We have two different posters who have identically "damaged" coins. We have a third poster who worked at a Mint controlled facility that recycled this same type of "damaged" coinage. While the consensus is 99.9% that the "errors" were man-made, I'm still interested in that 0.1% possibility that there is another explanation. Anything further from silverhaorder, davdmn or sndmn59?
Jacob, two comments. One bad idea to put your phone number in a public thread. Two, this is a very old thread and the person you are addressing hasn't been here in almost 8 years. I wouldn't expect an answer.