English Shilling collectors?

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  1. Mister T

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  3. Chris B

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    I'm late to the shilling party. I just picked this one up. One of those that I couldn't walk away from

    1723 SSC
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    1758 (sorry for the lousy picture)
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  4. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Ah, have been busy and will try to get it for you. This is the Derwent Wood Model as sculpted by ?Paget for submitted design of the "new coinage" of silver in 1927. This was part of a set that was presented to Wood's widow in a black lined case along with the other 5 silver coins. = Extremely Rare
    This is Bull 3858 in his ESC book.
     
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  5. 7Jags

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    Here is the photo of coin in slab. The obverse is blank - usually these had the word “MODEL” right in the middle but not always. 3573A669-8F01-41AD-85D6-CB95A6B62C4D.jpeg E306A519-BBC0-4240-AF14-809CB407B36E.jpeg
     
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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    This is probably the nicest shilling I’ve owned.

    PCGS MS63+ (ex-NGC MS64).

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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Here’s one from Victoria’s final year.

    NGC MS64

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  8. Clio

    Clio Well-Known Member

    A great handful of beautiful coins here!

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    Thought I would share some recent pick ups of mine. The GVI seems extraordinarily difficult to find nicely toned and in good shape. Few even approach gem.
     
  9. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    I like the 1896 one
     
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  10. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Like that one more. Nice reverse
     
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  11. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    1696 shilling struck at Chester. The C is struck over an E, suggesting the die was sitting on the shelf waiting for orders from Exeter when a die was needed at Chester, so the existing die was modified. This is the only C over E I am aware of. Additionally, the reverse die has no stops in the legend, which is a feature only recorded for 1697.
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    1731 George II Roses and Plumes shilling with T over E in the reverse legend. This coin was liberated from the base of a broken Georgian drinking vessel hence the wear to the laurel leaves which were in contact with the glass for 275 years, as opposed to no wear on the reverse. Helpfully described on ebay as a sixpence which reduced the price to bargain basement levels. :)

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    Just a regular Edward VII shilling
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    Edward VI 1551 3oz silver shilling with mm. Lion. Despite appearances, this is actually a reasonable example of this dire issue.
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  12. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Rob is the man!

    However he may have trouble matching these 1920s shillings, LOL
    See if you can GTG or see anything special, possible small surprises to follow(hint: I should probably post these separately)
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  13. Pickin and Grinin

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  14. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Actually 4 coins here...Some of you all - well, no fooling....LOL. Partial credit on that answer Sir!
     
  15. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    I've still got my 1923 nickel, but the 24 went when I chose diversity rather than focus on shillings and halfpennies. Basically tried to reduce it to one of each variety, so the second became a duplicate. I do however still need a Derwent Wood in some form or other if you are getting rid.
     
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  16. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    LOL, no will hold that. The 1925 is a nickel pattern (this I got along with the 1925 silver model pattern reverse from the Late John Welsh many years ago) and the 1927 is a model pattern reverse. The Wood pattern is part of the set so that will stay together for a bit I hope...
     
  17. Gallienus

    Gallienus coinsandhistory.com Supporter

    And for a mostly unrelated question & since you two seem somewhat experienced in the British coinage area...

    I'm looking to improve upon my 1797 2 Pence, bought some time ago at $14. Other than Heritage auctions are these things carried by dealers in the UK? I'd imagine that they're available other than slabbed at US auctions. Any recommendations?

    Not wanting a proof as that defeats the purpose of a struck-for-circulation issue nor a guilt issue, but something pretty decent (e.g ms).

    BTW I like your Edward VI dated MDLI shilling. This would be a neat coin for An XRF to check the metal purity.
     
  18. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Indeed, Rob knows far more than I about these “cartwheel” 2 pence, but they are on nearly every dealer’s tray in Jollie Olde Englande- and most not slabbed and NOT carrying a fancy price. I would imagine some even make the trip to NYINC next month. Rob may well be a good connection for such as well!
     
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  19. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I had to do some digging to find any Schillings.
    Here's part of a bracelet, I only got the two for melt years ago.
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    I think it's an 1896?
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  20. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Most dealers have a cartwheel 2d in stock. I've got 2 at the moment, but not good enough grade. Unfortunately I've just sold a gEF that would have slabbed 63 or 64 and suited. You just need to keep your eyes open as they do come around in high quite regularly, and if you are only looking for the equivalent of a 60ish, it should only take a few days to find one.

    The shilling was nominally 25% silver.
     
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  21. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    And a few more shillings
    George III 1787 with hearts in the Hanoverian shield and 1 over inverted 1 in the date
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    Charles II first hammered issue shilling. A bit messy but quite rare. Need to find a better one.
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    1947E proof shilling. A bit spotty.
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    1811 Frome shilling token
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    Charles I B2/1 shilling with interesting initial marks. The obverse is castle over negro's head, the reverse castle over inverted castle.
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