Thaler Coinage of the Pre Empire German States - Chapter 23 As you know this is the 23rd post on the crown-sized Silver Coinage of the Pre Empire German States known as Thaler, its subdivisions, its fractionals and its multiples. To date we've seen the crown-sized Mark coinage of the 38 Free States of the German Empire that existed from 1871-1918 (Duchies, Pricipalities, Electorates, and Empires). My research is an alphebetical presentation. Currently we are still under the listings of the letter "C" which now takes us to Coburg. Previously we learned, that though all the German Free States issued silver Thaler coins, many minor divisions of the Thaler were of different denominations depending on the influences of sovereignty, principality, treaties, rulership, war pacts, and territorial memberships. During Coburg's existence it was part of Saxony (a.k.a. Saxe or Sachsen) and referred to as Saxe-Coburg, but often, because of inheritance, coupled or tripled with the Free States of Eisenach (Saxe-Coburg-Eisenach), Gotha (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), and Saalfeld (Saxe-Colburg-Saalfeld) as well as others. In fact, at times, there were corulers of Coburg. So you can learn just where Coburg was situated within Saxony here's a map courtesy of Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SajoniaCoburg.jpg This map shows the almagation of Saalfeld to the Duchy Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SajoniaCoburgSaalfeld.jpg This map shows the amalgation of Gotha to the Duchy of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fileeutsches_Reich_(Karte)_Sachsen-Coburg_und_Gotha.svg Now that you know the adjustments Coburg had to endure, let's look at some of its coinage: MINOR COINS (Circulation and Commemorative): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985562&AucID=916&Lot=2500&Val=5618810c9f67e33860758759e115e995 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985569&AucID=916&Lot=2507&Val=3d702607ec3ba982095b14662c7bab86 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985572&AucID=916&Lot=2510&Val=e0deb10410e75c8245e2ab48a0b66e74 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=933768&AucID=692&Lot=2286&Val=12f6c1e09322d85e06eccd449e98259d http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=933778&AucID=692&Lot=2296&Val=5dc921a94c2e91e8fcdc551fe20525ac http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=957044&AucID=708&Lot=2707&Val=d8690fc67275b0317e3928c2ebd92f23 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985586&AucID=916&Lot=2524&Val=9598352bc6562e9319f2e8d48813fa0f http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985587&AucID=916&Lot=2525&Val=b1bfa8cfebe3f6d7b3520917361cb9d6 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985588&AucID=916&Lot=2526&Val=2d74465b001b14b84715f11f67f4fda6 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985592&AucID=916&Lot=2530&Val=ba01bf8cfc5576842b515fdc9455eff4 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985595&AucID=916&Lot=2533&Val=ed94108f7b2ff277fbb6a68320be2d87 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=963051&AucID=713&Lot=713&Val=129597a12840eb2b82beab6a324d468b Additional Minor Coins: http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=933762&AucID=692&Lot=2280&Val=bbffee8a568c6b0868b15dcebe079692 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=933763&AucID=692&Lot=2281&Val=62e49b163ee94a270e539fd874100b08 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=933769&AucID=692&Lot=2287&Val=06a39ac1b2d145f25159851678179610 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=933771&AucID=692&Lot=2289&Val=037eb8096dd675555982bcc96b980479 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=933775&AucID=692&Lot=2293&Val=9692d18802b6961653c0e6f5667c86c5 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=933777&AucID=692&Lot=2295&Val=6756de9e808db62615f39e3eac097fdb Major Coinage: Fractional Thaler: http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985555&AucID=916&Lot=2493&Val=d425cc90b9f0d0679e5b1982813e2b51 The following 2 fractional Thaler coins were issued for Saxe-Coburg-Eisenach while under the leadership of both Johann Casimir and Johann Ernst: http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985558&AucID=916&Lot=2496&Val=9e61ab7159aebee8459a9e5a9f39f3d9 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985560&AucID=916&Lot=2498&Val=2ce667716ed568361e0b5ca39da4ac75 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985565&AucID=916&Lot=2503&Val=577e9bc7a1dc62573a0183d2b98a2134 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985566&AucID=916&Lot=2504&Val=be24e2c1191a6ca2b466470edc66116f http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985571&AucID=916&Lot=2509&Val=2cd1fb2a382ad8f13ee6554bf74d1946 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985573&AucID=916&Lot=2511&Val=223845bbccdcaeb573a2dadde2f54b5c http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985575&AucID=916&Lot=2513&Val=cc66eb469fe2029266643593d97a721c http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985579&AucID=916&Lot=2517&Val=75a115adc37c681ec5a09de19e88ff7d http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985590&AucID=916&Lot=2528&Val=7101242df5f81fbcbbb0c794a5232ea3 Thaler Coins: Saxe-Coburg-Eisenach under the dual leadership of Johann Casimir and Johann Ernst (next 4 coins): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985554&AucID=916&Lot=2492&Val=34f38d72c94529145fced430b3c205b8 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985556&AucID=916&Lot=2494&Val=c036b2e2c61443f64da760aa4deec60e http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985557&AucID=916&Lot=2495&Val=5558fe5c16048cab1c7f516f1f9d5af8 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985561&AucID=916&Lot=2499&Val=9632037981131d7524e07d7ceaa25a06 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985567&AucID=916&Lot=2505&Val=5af9ffa5153d8426213f03f1505cff0d http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985570&AucID=916&Lot=2508&Val=b0a79f0f539fd962915b37309f9fe2da http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985571&AucID=916&Lot=2509&Val=2cd1fb2a382ad8f13ee6554bf74d1946 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985576&AucID=916&Lot=2514&Val=c0b2e88956a7f72a910ca4a5841cf35e http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985580&AucID=916&Lot=2518&Val=7da4d4637b8f08876c3cefd751b3e76f http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985582&AucID=916&Lot=2520&Val=29cd0e5054043287ff7404c6208fdc5b http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985584&AucID=916&Lot=2522&Val=b378a6da09513ef6c29b8dff43d37155 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985589&AucID=916&Lot=2527&Val=77aaec27ea3b975eb8c80bccbf5df4ae http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985597&AucID=916&Lot=2535&Val=0a1867f448a82e76dd4adcd74cc089c2 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985598&AucID=916&Lot=2536&Val=7a90e147204d0b3335e265b6cedf267f http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=985602&AucID=916&Lot=2540&Val=37e1309af9030b6b97da065c34ba1a86 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=942898&AucID=698&Lot=4952&Val=25144e5738caee6fe60f817093eacdde Gold Dukat, etc: http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=945904&AucID=700&Lot=8553&Val=3e2a6ef66800fd849e146742aaefe31d http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=945905&AucID=700&Lot=8554&Val=d7e8663bd82756959d9078799fbfe622 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=931780&AucID=690&Lot=1294&Val=45882e1414e9404eb824626dff208261 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=931781&AucID=690&Lot=1295&Val=bf975140e7438fd9ae72a0b3af117da0 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=931783&AucID=690&Lot=1297&Val=4881dcc2cb3b3131217a5b1fd955742e http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=931784&AucID=690&Lot=1298&Val=a7e110370c0f1e6a1d47550a380362e2 Hope you enjoyed seeing the Thaler coinage of Coburg. To be continued.... Clinker
Have not looked at all the coins you list here yet, but it sure is an impressive "lot". Just one minor thing - the coin depicted here http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotvi...Lot=2707&Val=d8690fc67275b0317e3928c2ebd92f23 is a piece from Schwarzburg-Sondershausen. The description does mention Coburg, but that other coin is not shown. Coburg sure changed states, so to say, fairly often. And there are some more oddities. In the years of the personal (and then real) union of Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha, the duchy had two capitals, Coburg and Gotha. The ducal court actually was in one place for six months, then moved to the other, and back half a year later. As for where Coburg is these days ... well, after the 1918 revolution and the end of the monarchy, the double-duchy was split again, and the republics of Sachsen-Coburg and Sachsen-Gotha were established. Two years later Sachsen-Coburg joined the state of Bavaria while Sachsen-Gotha joined the newly established state of Thuringia. This also meant that, between 1949 and 1990, the cities of Coburg and Gotha were in two different countries. And they still are in two different states. Christian
