People who have coins like these know what they are worth. Sometimes, people need fast money and sell them cheap...but there is a difference between cheap and suspicious. How much does the person want for the coin?
100% fake. The 6 looks nothing like the real thing. If you haven't looked at the reference images jloring linked, go do that now. http://www.slqcoins.us/educational.html
The first three digits are much more strongly worn than the 6. A wear pattern that inconsistent would be a red flag even if the 6 looked right, but as others have said the 6 looks all wrong. Pass.
The best thing you can do is forget you ever saw that one...Don't even put another ounce of energy into the thought of buying it
*Sirens blairing* "FAKE ALERT!!!!!" Seiuosly though that is the worst counterfeit SLQ I've ever seen!!!
He originally wanted $1500. I talked him down to $1000 just for the heck of it before meeting up. He said he was given it as a payment on money he was owed - not a collector himself. I had a feeling it would be fake so made sure to do my homework before putting down that much cash. One can always dream though of getting such a deal
Well I'm glad you passed, it's not fun getting burned, I've been in those shoes. But, there's good people on this forum that'll (try) to see if it's legit, given you have good enough pictures.
(1) The date is wrong (2) The drapery is slightly off (3) The surfaces look like those I've seen on many Chinese knockoffs I think it's always worthwhile looking into these long-shot deals, even if they usually turn out to be fake. I'm glad you asked here before putting down serious money. Some people will say any great-looking rare coin not in a slab is fake, but this one really is. If I weren't sure, I wouldn't give you bad advice costing you thousands of dollars in upside.
Thanks for all the great feedback. You all saved me a lot of money. Sadly, I think he will try to to sell it to someone else.
You're absolutely right about the date-- it is, indeed, "completely wrong". The 9 and 6 are particularly bad.
Might remind him it is a felony to sell fake US money. Give him 20 bucks for the token and call it a day.
Easiest way to check if it's an altered 1917 is to look at the hair , on the '16 it will have one distinct hair strands sticking up at the back of the head , on a '17 there will be two distinct strands , there's other markers but that's the easiest to see even on low gradepieces .
Chinese fake. Porous surface, artificially enhanced toning, none of the diagnostics match up. It looks like the work of "jingshuashuei" a Chinese seller who was selling these on eBay for two bucks a pop for years before they shut him down. He sold these and other high dollar key dates as copies. Problem was they weren't stamped with "copy" or "replica" as required by U.S. law. Now I think he's just selling under a different name. And the market is absolutely saturated with these fakes. Buyer beware!
99% sure it a copy.the coloring is just off as is hole coin.but is a China fake I not sure but I know when I was a kid in the 50-60's you could buy copy's of the 1916 STLQ without copy stamped on it, here a real 17-P that may help?. http://www.slqcoins.us/1917coins/1917P1PCGS55FHP6644.htm
Rev too Dutch! star are to far off too. :kewl:the hole coin just looks odd for a 1916-17 SLQ type#1 to me!