Ebay Counterfeits, PCGS/NGC Counterfeits Plus More

LOL . Now that would be funny .
rzage

 

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Thank you so much to everyone for their valuable input and advice.
If anyone spots any PCGS or NGC counterfeits being openly marketed on the net
please bring them to this thread for analysis and discussion.
Thanks again.

 

What I seem to think is that chineese ebay which is also tradetang both use the exact same pictures of real coins , gibson guitars etc,,,
you send your money to China AND !! if you even get an item mailed to you,, it will look as fake as it is ..
What are you gonna do ? call your bank or credit card company and tell them
Well........ I bought this counterfeit product that I thought looked real but actually looks fake ?

If they can make the site they can fill in there own feedback
Take your money and feed on the greed of crooks that want to buy this stuff to profit on others

Fakes are out there some good some bad don't get me wrong,, but to buy in an open market wouldn't the feds step in ?
I think the scammers are being scammed by there own greed and there willing to take the chance ....

That's just my opinion ..........
I know a guy bought a Gibson ,, looked and sounded terrible
cost him 50% to mail back for refund
He never seen the guitar or his money again
also know of a couple people never seen what they ordered PayPal won't help you either

Live by the Sword .....

 

and for those who are not crooks that buy this stuff

If a deal looks to good to be true .............................

 

The slabs are probably fake also - another known problem in addition to the fake "coins".

 

The slabs are counterfeit as well.
The Chinese have a history of counterfeiting and their coin forgers take pride in their work.
Make no mistake. The forgeries will get better. Much better. Recall a few years ago when everyone was
laughing at those "Chinese fakes". No one is laughing anymore. Even PCGS limits their liability to a mere
$1,000 when authenticating Chinese coinage. Virtually nothing when one considers the popularity of Chinese coinage
and the prices many bring at auction.

 

Does anyone really think that ANY coin coming from China isn't a counterfeit? If it's from China, it's a fake.

I don't collect slabbed coins so I don't have the problem of trying to authenticate both the coin and the slab. But I have bought a number of counterfeit coins from a couple of dealers whose coins are all lightly stamped "COPY", so there's no way that you can be confused about what you're getting. There are coins I need for my type set that I have no earthly chance of affording to get the genuine version, so copies are the only way to fill the holes.

 

I agree, those fakes cost too much

 

It could be an older holder also as i bought some off of teletrade that the front looked like that but before they added the barcode

 

Prices are negotiable with most Asian forgery sellers. They often offer quantity discounts.
They are very eager to to business with their US counterparts.
This problem is not going away. These fakes are getting better and have already infiltrated US markets.

 

This may force the TPG's to start adding more security features to the slabs, just like our government did with our new paper currency. Even the much publicized "sniffer" doesn't work on the slab or the coin in it. The TPG's probably would love to do this. Many owners would have to send their better slabbed coins in for regrading since people would begin to loose confidence in the old holders.

 

I'd bet some of these pics, like the 09 UHR there, are the real thing to make you think they're that good. You'll probably get something that looked similar to one but nowhere near that good. This thread was still an eye opener to me and I knew these slabs were out there before. These are really good.

Does anybody have a quick link to PCGS serial number look up? I couldn't find it. I know it could still be fake but would at least give some level of comfort. I have a few to look up.

 

This counterfeit PCGS MS63 1889-CC Morgan Dollar sold for $25,000 back in May of 2009. This fake was spotted after listing completion and posting of positive feedback by the buyer. The purchaser had been totally duped.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinforgeryebay/4299176054/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinforgeryebay/4299176050/in/photostream/

 

Lettering on the insert in that slab is all wrong.

 

Whats with all these folks who are now posting only after years of nothing. I've more of these individuals popping up here all week long in different discussions.

 

The gunky Asian AT on the coin is another red flag.

 

All the fake slabs at DH Gate.com . well they're not there anymore , thanks to one guy from Canada halfbuck1 , I don't know how he did it but 1s the got the Canadian coins out of there next he got all PCGS and NGC slabs out . Kudus to him .
Rusty

 

Yeah. What about the Green lable with the most recent long PCGS Hologram?

 

Have you got a link to that one? I haven't seen a fake green label slab yet.

 

The buyer of this eBay PCGS XF40 1916-D Mercury Dime (purchase price$4,600)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...0.l2557&hash=item27b9bfe450&item=170620085328

sent the coin and slab to PCGS for regrade and received this reply

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=811989&STARTPAGE=1