1919-D Liberty Standing 25c. ENOUGH DAMAGE FOR A "GENUINE" SLAB???

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  1. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

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    ...Hey CoinTalkers! I just wanted your opinion on a question I've got about this nice 1919-D SLQ. Do you think the slight scratch at about 4:30 on the reverse of this coin is enough to get it put into a "PCGS Genuine" slab if I were to get it professionally certified? I know the overall grade (probably VG10) and a good price to pay for the coin, but if that scratch were infact enough for it to count as damage to a professional numismatic coin grader, then I would obviously reconsider purchasing the coin. PLEASE LEAVE COMMENTS BELOW!

    Thanks Guys & Gals,
    Brian
     
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  3. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    Why would you want to waste money like that.
     
  4. smokeriderdon

    smokeriderdon New Member

    close enough I wouldnt waste my money getting it graded. I would buy it if I could get it at a good price though.
     
  5. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    No way that's gonna get into a "fine" holder. I can hardly see the date. Save your dough and purchase something more worthy......VG-8 if that.
     
  6. thecoinczar

    thecoinczar Member

    I don't think that a TPG would bother with that scratch. It is so old and has totally toned with the coin. It isn't even distracting to the coin as a whole. I say go for it if that is what you want to do.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I don't see any way that coin would get into a regular slab.
     
  8. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    Due to the scratch or other damages you may see that I do not? Please explain...
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well, the scratch for one thing. It looks to have been harshly cleaned for another. But more than anything else the date is unreadable. They will not slab a coin without being certain of the date.
     
  10. Doug21

    Doug21 Coin Hoarder

    Don't they slab 1916 SLQ's with no date ?
     
  11. Coinguy56

    Coinguy56 Member

    I believe they do, for 1916's. But in other words, why would you want to waste money and slab a coin that is not that rare and with a few problems?
     
  12. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    I've heard of that but have never seen one. Seems there are certain diagnostics for the '16 that allow it to be distingquished from other SLQ's.
     
  13. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title] Supporter

    I don't know if this coin will slab or not, it is a little damaged...and that might be enough. That said, if this coin did slab I think it would grade out as a VG8 and IMHO, that makes it not worth sending in. With these photos, I can't tell if the coin has been cleaned or not.

    They do, but there are specific die markers on the 1916 that can distinguish it without a date.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    True, but there are actually several dates that they will slab, over and above the '16 where only the last number of the date can be seen. But they will only do it with those dates where there was only 1 year minted with that final digit. Namely - '21, '22, 23', '24 and '25. All the other dates have 2 possible years so they will not slab them unless the date can be seen.
     
  15. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist


    I totally disagree. It is very easy to tell the difference between a 1919 and a 1929 due to the fact that the 1929 is a recessed date and the 1919 isn't. Same goes for 1917, 1918, and 1920. Also, a single digit 1919 will have much less overall wear than a single digit 1929 due to the fact that the pre-25 dates wore off much more easily. PCGS, or any other TPGs will slab single digit dated slqs of this date all day long, and I have seen many in slabs. I personally think it would grade, but will probably only make G/VG because of the wear on the date.

     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    OK, you can disagree. But just to check before I posted, I searched for them and couldn't find any. But I'll be happy to see an example.
     
  17. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    I have seen them on ebay in the past on occasion as I had been hunting for the 19-d/s for a while. I think for the most part, they are not really worth sending in as has been stated(they take a big grade hit from the date); but they certainly can and have been authenticated. Here are a few old ANACS examples from the Heritage archives.
     

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  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Guess I should have specified that I was talking about NGC and PCGS.
     
  19. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    Ok, well I do agree that I don't see any lower grades in the heritage archives for NGC/PCGS. I'm sure I've seen NGC/PCGS examples on ebay in the past as well, but I can't find any direct evidence to support that. I think that the 19 d/s is the most likely candidate due to the fact that they often wear in a way that leaves only the last digit visible in lower grades. I would argue though that there aren't many NGC/PCGS examples due to the fact that they arent worth slabbing from the top tiers at that grade instead of that they are unidentifiable.

    I've personally owned low grade 1929 slqs, and 3 or 4 single digit 19d and 19s slqs, and the difference in the date to me is as clear as day; so I just don't understand why PCGS and NGC wouldn't slab them as such if you paid them to?


     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I think a lot of it has to do with what the accepted practices were when the TPGs were first formed. For decades before there were TPGs, coins that did not have a clear date simply were not graded, by anybody. Actually, I like the idea and always have.

    The general rules that the numismatic community has regarding what coins can be graded and what coins cannot be graded were established long before the TPGs came along. Rules like not grading problem coins, like not grading coins without clear dates, like not grading coins that are unidentifiable - those rules were merely adopted by the TPGs because that has always been the accepted practice. And if you think about it, they all make sense.
     
  21. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I believe that coin will grade at PCGS. But why?
     
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