1881-S Morgan Dollar

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  1. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    That is exactly what I was seeing Doug.
     
    gbroke, Apr 5, 2011
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Sure doesn't look like die polish lines to me. Looks like a coin that was harshly cleaned.
     
    GDJMSP, Apr 5, 2011
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  4. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I respectfully disagree. I have literally seen hundreds of coins from this date with heavy die polish.
     
    LostDutchman, Apr 5, 2011
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  5. blu62vette

    blu62vette Member

    The lines dont seem to carry through the wings, arrows or wreath so to me that is more die polish. I would be curious to see the cheek at that angle.
     
    blu62vette, Apr 5, 2011
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  6. Merc Crazy

    Merc Crazy Bumbling numismatic fool

    I believe they're die polish lines too.
     
    Merc Crazy, Apr 5, 2011
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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Fair enough, I've seen more than a few myself.

    Well that's the thing with coins that have the mirrored fields like a Proof coin does. Take a cloth sometime and wipe it across a Proof. You'll see the hairlines in the fields plain as day, but not a mark on the devices.

    Now I will grant you, die polish lines can usually be easily distinguished with a coin in hand. But when dealing with pictures, harsh cleaning marks look a whole lot like die polish lines. And yes, the that includes the lines being raised. Light scratches and heavy hairlines can produce raised lines. How ? Because the displaced metal has to go someplace - that place is right beside the incuse line.

    This is something that a lot of folks fail to realize. Die polish lines will all be raised. Harsh cleaning lines are both, raised and incuse. Not just incuse !

    And that is what the marks on that coin look like to me - raised and incuse.

    edit - Now could I be wrong ? You bet. But by the same token I could be right. All any of us have to go by are some not very good pictures.
     
    GDJMSP, Apr 5, 2011
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  8. blu62vette

    blu62vette Member

    Thanks for the explanation, I was just curious to hear what you were seeing. I do agree that those images will not allow any for any definitive answer.
     
    blu62vette, Apr 5, 2011
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  9. Kevo

    Kevo Junior Member

    Lower grade PL morgans show bag marks much more than a similar ms coin. Yours is a 60 or a 61.
     
    Kevo, Apr 5, 2011
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  10. Kevo

    Kevo Junior Member

    Looks like GSC photos lol
     
    Kevo, Apr 5, 2011
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  11. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    I wouldn't crack that coin out... it looks like there's a thumbprint on Q4 (lower-right corner) of the obverse.
     
    NorthKorea, Apr 5, 2011
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  12. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    cool I didn't know this
     
    silentnviolent, Apr 5, 2011
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  13. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    I noticed this too
     
    silentnviolent, Apr 7, 2011
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  14. blu62vette

    blu62vette Member

    I cant imagine anyone cracking out a 65DMPL in this environment. Yes there is s thumbprint but the coin is great and among my favorites of the 100+ PL/DMPL PCGS coins I have.
     
    blu62vette, Apr 7, 2011
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  15. Merc Crazy

    Merc Crazy Bumbling numismatic fool

    I knew you were cornering the market. Nice investment though, those DMPL and PL Morgans are starting to move up... just as I get into 'em, too, ugh.
     
    Merc Crazy, Apr 7, 2011
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  16. jcakcoin

    jcakcoin New Member

    Maybe AU55
     
    jcakcoin, Apr 7, 2011
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  17. K2Coins

    K2Coins GO GATORS

    Polished dies do not hurt the grade, do they?
     
    K2Coins, Apr 7, 2011
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  18. smokeriderdon

    smokeriderdon New Member

    I bet money those marks WOULD be noticed. Before that pic I was going 64, but now, 61 DMPL.

    Just noticed the lines in that pic. I fall on the die polish side, but it IS hard to say for sure from that pic.

    And I certainly wear gloves when handling UNCs and Proofs. I havent seen a dealer handling such coins at shows though. All that I have dealt with were slabbed or 2x2d or rolls or the like so there was no need.
     
    smokeriderdon, Apr 7, 2011
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  19. thecoinczar

    thecoinczar Member

    The fields are very mirror like and they reflect highly so I wouldn't be surprised if a TPG would give it at least a proof like designation if not a deep mirror proof like one. As far as the grade it should be at least a MS63. I don't think your coin has bag marks but just luster grazes. As you said that the coin in hand doesn't reveal all of the marks that it does when photographed. Nice coin. I would definitely consider it for my Morgan collection if given the opportunity.
     
    thecoinczar, Apr 8, 2011
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  20. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I have a gorgeous 80-S in a PCGS 65DMPL, but I don't know how to get decent photos of it.

    Chris
     

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  21. WingedLiberty

    WingedLiberty Well-Known Member


    Amen to that ... it actually makes me a little bit sick to my stomach to see it ... over and over and over. Why are so many people clueless about oils and fingerprints???
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    WingedLiberty, Apr 8, 2011
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