Ouch altererd date 1944 D sold to me as 1914 D.

Interesting to know, thank you. I knew from reading it was a key in the first red books, but hadn't read about further back.

 

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Bummer man, what a creepy thing to do. Yesterday, on Feebay i saw a fake Meiji era Japanese Yen go for $80. The seller knew it was fake, because i told him, before the auction was ended. Its so hard, with all the frauds. I just lose a lot of faith, everyday.

 

You make a great point here!! Problem is now that ebay has these huge fee hikes and war on sellers something has got to give. Its much harder to sell a real coin when you need to get a decent price for it. When the coin is fake there is no markup or reason to worry about the high fees. The rose the prices with the insane buy it now prices (sometimes double book for raw coins), or just over priced from having too much markup and buying the coins wrong. There is no doubt about it ebay went down hill. Sad too I used to really enjoy that place.

 

Coinguy, Merc is right. Saying he made a stupid stupid mistake is nt the thing you need to say. Myself and VAcookey have bought PLENTY of raw coins from Ebay and had only one problem. And that was quickly taken care of by the seller. So you saying raw and Ebay are red flags...you are just talking out of turn there.

Mstng, dude that sucks. Hopefully you didnt pay a high premium for the album thinking that was a real 14. And if you did, hopefuly the old guy will make good on the difference. And I love Ebay still. The fee increases were brought about primarily due to sellers screwing around and charging 300 for shipping on the 1914d somone got for 100 on bid. They did that to avoid the then reasonable fees because they were being greedy. So I cant say as I blame Ebay a whole lot. Dishonest sellers is something you have to be careful of no matter what. They are at shows and in stores just as they are on Ebay.

 

Smokeriderdon, its fine buying raw coins, but raw key dates that are always counterfeited? Raw key date from e bay is not the best move to make. So me saying that this guy bought a raw key date on e bay IS the thing to say, it was a stupid mistake. It would be fine with no problems on coins that are not key dates or scarce dates like the 1914-D. That is what I was saying.

Don't buy raw coins that are key dates on e bay, you never know what your getting until you receive it.


Let me add this, I am now way too over protective over myself, considering that I have been ripped off and it wasn't pretty. I'll never buy any more coins online. Trust me, it will make you very mad if you get ripped off.

 

Shame on that seller.

 

Have you tried working things out with the seller first? That's definitely altered, but it's possible the seller didn't know. You might be able to receive a reasonable refund AND keep the rest of the pennies, to boot. From the post, I'm under the impression that you bought a series of Lincolns and not just the key date.

 

The few 1914-D Cents that I have considered placing bids on on eBay had to have extremely large clear photos of the OBV & REV. If the OBV was not clear enough to see the die crack running from Lincoln's shirt to the rim , I pass.
Another tip for folks buying rolls with VDB reverses showing is , you can tell if it is going to be an "S" or not by the spacing of the VDB itself.

 

I would never accept a refund without sending the items back. I want the seller to be able to see in hand what I am talking about. But yes I did contact the seller and I am sending the coins back to him now for a full refund.

There would never ever be any chance of a 1909 S VDB being in one of those rolls. Those rolls are set up to prey on idiots. Where does someone find 2000 rolls with a VDB on both ends LOL.

I am not worried I will get refunded I think ebay blames the sellers for alot more then they actually do. Personally I dont care if they are going to charge for the shipping. Infact they should have done it sooner. Then they should have done buyer protection like they do now. That leaves every buyer covered. Why the DSR crap?

Then the thing that kills me is this................If you sell anything from coins to cars you know the best way to sell something is to build a sense of urgency! Auctions were the best possible way of doing that. Once that item gets the first bid with the clock tickin there is no relisting or second chances that thing is gonna sell. If you want it you better bid! So why did they shove buy it now down our throats? Why did they wanna make the prices site wide full retail? Amazon was good for amazon. Amazon was not good for ebay.

 

"Buy It Now" used to be helpful for me to list an item at it's true value plus 20%. That way I could actually make a profit after eBay and PayPal fees. If someone wants the item bad enough and they don't want to get into a bidding war , they "Buy It Now". Another funny thing about Buy It Now is that someone will place a bid on a "no reserve auction" and that removes the Buy It Now price and option , but before the auction is over the winning bid is WAY over what the Buy It Now price was originally. That always makes me happy

 

Maybe I have been away from cents too long. Are you saying EVERY 14d has to have the same die crack to be authentic? They produced way too many of them to use only one die pair. Am I just missing something? I have a few of them, and one high grade example in my safe deposit box. Should I check it for a die crack?

 

With less than 1.2 million minted , I would say that a goodly portion of them have the die crack. So as a rule , when making on line purchases , no die crack = no buy.

 

I thought the rule of hand was 1 die = ~500k coins?

 

Its a good diagnostic to look for, I agree, but lets look at some numbers. I think they struck about 50,000-100,000 cents with a die. Lets say 300,000 just for argument. Then the crack was not there at the beginning presumably, so lets say it started early, after 1/6th the production. That would mean 850,000 out of 1,100,000 have no crack, and you are labeling all of these as fakes?

Edit: Ok, if Merc's number is the number, I would still say about 700,000 of them would have no die crack. Same point as before.

I would agree with you that a known die diagnostic helps assure a person, but even that is not for sure. What if they made the copy from a cracked die coin? The copy will have your diagnostic. I am just saying people need to be more, "all inclusive" in looking at a coin to determine if its good or not. I am not understating the cause for concern, I just personally do not like relying on one thing to make my decision for me. I have bought ancient coins that others have labeled as fakes for cheap money, only to have them be rare coins. I have done the same on Ebay.

 

So as one of "MY" rules , when making "on line purchases" , no die crack = no buy.

 

In what way did he "lose" here? A paypal claim should make him whole quite nicely. Whether you're buying a coin raw or in a slab, it always pays off to carefully inspect the coin instead of taking a seller's word for what the coin is.

As an eBay buyer, I've had a very high rate of receiving genuine coins for prices far below what local coin shops offered the same pieces. And the few times I've had trouble, they've been easier to resolve than the few times I've had trouble ordering from dealer's mailing lists.

 

He bought a coin folder and it had a raw key date in it and he obviously paid pretty good money for it, only to receive an altered one. Now what?

It's your money, not mine. If you want to risk it all over a key date coin on e bay, be my guest.

 

What risk? He contacts buyer, if buyer refuses refund, he files claim, eBay gives him his money back. That simple.

 

Yes, e bay sure will refund his money! But they won't do squat with the seller, he will continue to rip people off, newer collectors and they'll never know. But still, even over e bay and paypal, I wouldn't risk it. I never have, too.

 

That's what feedback is for. Listen, you're entitled to your opinions, as backwards and as silly as they may be. But please, spare us your ranting about how eBay and Heritage are evil, evil horrible places, dude. You screwed yourself by buying the slab and not the coin, and guess what?

Nobody cares.