Ouch altererd date 1944 D sold to me as 1914 D.

A few days ago I bought a book of wheat pennies on ebay that contained a 1914 D. I bid and won only to receive this today........






Looks like someone altered a 1944 D to look like a 1914 D. Someone is about to get a paypal claim :hail:

 

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No doubt about it!

 

Stupid, stupid mistake. One thing is that it's raw, another thing is that is from e bay. Raising all kind of red flags for me.

 

Thats not so true I have bought many nice raw coins on ebay that were fine. But this one is obviously altered.

 

Stupid, stupid mistake? How about assuming a coin is a solid coin just because it's slabbed, then later once you realize it's got PVC damage, blaming the auction site instead of yourself for not taking a close enough look at the coin?

I've bought plenty of real coins on ebay that I got solid deals on because the seller didn't do a great job with listing the item.

 

Anything can happen over e bay and the internet. Either way, they are big risks to take, and you obviously lost this one. Please, do yourself a favor and go buy one that is certified.

 

Yeah start defending precious Heritage over my mistake. They never even responded to emails, so yeah, for not responding and admitting to selling me a pvc damaged coin, yeah, I blame them. I bet they know, too.

If Heritage is so good as you guys say they are, they why in the HELL don't they perk up and open their freaking eyes??

 

Just for anyone else reading, always check the shoulder of a 1914d. That is the first place I look, as most altered dates will be better than the OP's example. Real 1914d's do not have have VDB initials on the shoulders, 1944's do, and most forgers do not try to eliminate the VDB, or else leave traces.

 

The VDB didn't return again until 1918. It was moved to Lincoln's shoulder instead of the reverse on the bottom.

 

Whoa, whoa there kid... chill.

I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of you saying he made a "stupid, stupid mistake."

I'm not gonna highjack his thread with your "issues", but all I will say is that you're supposed to be 18 years or older to bid on HA.com... you're not. That alone would be grounds for them to ban you from their auctions forever... and if you'd (Meaning your account on HA.com was logged in) placed the bid using, I think you said, your fathers CC, that means you're in a world of crap for CC fraud too. You should just be glad HA is letting that go... because legally, you don't have a leg to stand on whatsoever at all.

Plus, IIRC, you were way, way out of the return policy... the return policy is there for you to take a look at the coin and decide if it's satisfactory or not... but god, no, it's never your fault, is it?

Anyways, back to the OP... that's a pretty shoddy job, I wonder if the seller did that or if he was gypped himself.

 

Buddy, listen, The Parents did all the work. The only thing I did was give them the money. It's not like I have my very own account and I bid on what ever I want.

I apologize for posting those comments above on somebody's thread. It just drives me crazy when people start the bs regarding my past mistake. Still waiting for that email to this day.

 

I just got off the phone with him. I think it would be very unlikely that he did it himself he was a lil senile lol. He says he had it since the 60's though. Was a 14 D even worth anything back in the 60's? Seems like only recently the trade for alot of money. I read somewhere back in the 50's 1909 S VDB's were $10-$15. This story does not add up but I know that penny certainly isnt genuine.

And coinguy you have no right to judge me. I have a reasonable expectation to buy a genuine coin and get a genuine coin. This is the sellers fault not mine.

 

In 1963 a 14-D in Fine was listed in the graysheet at $50 bid. In in 1963 $50 was a LOT more money than it is today. So yes it was worth doing the alteration back then.

 

Call them, learn to escalate. Keep asking to speak to a manager until someone helps you... find the CEO's email address, contact him, etc.

 

1914d has always been considered a key to the set for as far back as I have read. When I was a kid, if you brought in a book of lincoln cents, the second book went straight into the junk box, and the first book they looked at the 09s, 09svdb, 14d, 14s, 22d, 22 Plain, and 31s. The rest was tossed into junk as well. They have been altering 1944's for almost as long. Even if an svdb was selling for $15, that was a lot for a penny. If a 14d was selling for $5, that is a ton of money for a kid then, when someone can modify a 44d for one cent.

Btw, yeah, those old bags are nice if you can get one. I have a couple, and have found all of the S's except 09, 14, and 31 in there, as well as all d's save the 14. the 22d was beat up, but there.

Mstng, I agree man, if someone represented the coins as genuine, you have a right to genuine coins. BTW, does you name mean you have a 2002 mustang GT? I had a 69 fastback growing up.

 

The 1914-D was not a key date until the 1930's. The 1909-S VDB, I'm not sure. I know it became a key date much earlier though.

Merc Crazy: I will.

 

Heh I used to have a mustang but ended up wrapping it around a guardrail. Not sure who won that battle. It was a bit of a draw LOL. I had a 2002 mustang GT conv with a procharger kit on it. Nice car but no traction at all

 

The 1909-S VDB has been a key date since . . . 1909.

 

Oh yea? Why are the majority circulated then?

 

Actually, for the svdb they aren't. This is why there used to be miniscule difference in price between a VG and AU, or AU to BU. I think today the difference is more due to "condition rarity" people and the condition mindset in US collecting than true rarity. The price is a function of people believing only key dates are "investment worthy", a self fulfilling prophecy. It seems many were saved, which is unusual for a S mint coin. Same with the 09S IHC, much higher saving than other dates.

P.S. I got my svdb years ago for $300. It is BU red brown, before TPGers. I graded it 62/63 20 years ago, with todays grading it might be 64. The price I paid was about $30 over a xf price, and about $40 over a F price. The prices on these used to be very flat versus grades, much different than 14d's, that have always been steep versus grades.