CWT Variety Enquiry - Frank L. Gay - Bookseller, Providence RI

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by CheetahCats, Mar 29, 2011.

  1. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    The CWT Book by Kanzinger doesn't spell out the compositions of the following varieties. Nor does Rulau's 3 or 4th editions. Can someone please fill in the blanks?

    RI700E-2a -- Rev 1264, Copper, Plain edge, R2
    RI700E-2b -- Rev 1264, Brass, Plain edge, R3
    RI700E-2bp - Rev 1264, Silver-Plated Brass, Plain edge, R3
    RI700E-2c -- ???
    RI700E-2d -- Rev 1264, Nickel, Plain edge, R8
    RI700E-2e -- ???
    RI700E-2f -- ???
    RI700E-2g -- ???
    RI700E-2j -- Rev 1264, German Silver, Plain edge, R8


    Thanks,

    Cheetah
     
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  3. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    Fuld lists them as follows Cheetah.

    700E-2c -- Rev 1264, Nickel, Plain edge, R8
    700E-2e -- Rev 1264, White metal, Plain edgs, R8
    700E-2f -- Rev 1264, Silver, Plain edge, R9
    700E-2g -- Rev 1264, Lead, Plain edge, R8

    Anything else you want looked up, just let me know.

    Bruce
     
  4. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American


    Much thanks Bruce.... I appreciate the prompt response!

    Based on your help, I rather sure the following recent acquisition is a RI700E-2bp (silvered brass):

    1863-RI700E-2bp-Combined.jpg

    BTW, which guide were you able to pull that information from so I can put it on my list?

    Thanks!

    - Cheetah
     
  5. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    I think you're right Cheetah, It's silvered brass, or sometimes called silver plated. It doesn't look to be white metal, as they usually appear brighter with a gray tint if oxidized. I like this one very much. The reference I used was "U.S. Civil War Store Cards" (2nd ed.,1972) by George and Melvin Fuld. The book is a bit dated, but it's about the best there is available. The Civil War Token Society is working on a revision, and from what I understand it's progressing very well. Hopefully they'll have it published in the next year or so.

    Bruce
     
  6. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    In my last post Cheetah I forgot to mention that all CWT's listed previously as "nickel" are now classified as "white metal". Apparently, the two are difficult to distinguish from each other, and so the powers-to-be have decided to just consider all former alleged nickel composition tokens as white metal. I think this change came about several years ago with the publication of the new edition of the patriotic token book. The Civil War Token Society seems to be the arbiter of these decisions, so they're probably responsible for the change.

    Bruce
     
  7. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    Does that mean that 2c, 2d, and 2e are all basically the same?
     
  8. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    I apologize Cheetah, I should have said all nickel pieces have been reclassified as GERMAN SILVER, not white metal. Tests were performed on German Silver and the composition was found to be the same as nickel, so it was decided to list all tokens formerly classified as nickel under the broader term of German Silver. As of 2005 when the latest revision of the patriotic book was published the designations for the metals used for CWT's are as follows.

    BR:b: brass
    C:a: copper
    C-N:d: copper-nickel
    GS:j: German silver
    L:g: lead
    S:f: silver
    T:m: tin
    WM:e: white metal
    Cpl:ap: copper plate
    Gpl:lp: gold plate
    Spl:fp: silver plate
    Tpl:mp: tin plate
    Gt:k: gilt

    Sorry for my mistake.
    Bruce
     
  9. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    No worries Bruce. I appreciate your help.

    Another book for my Baltimore list this weekend :)
     
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