Wrong Click Costs Dealer $38,000 In Coins

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  1. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    A coin dealer in Missouri clicked on the wrong name and $38,000 in coins, instead of being shipped to his customer in Missouri, were instead delivered to a man in Athens, GA. Now, surprise, surprise, the dealer cannot get the coins back from the Georgia man.

    Dealer can't get rare coins back

     
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  3. Coinguy56

    Coinguy56 Member

    This is why you don't buy stuff like this online. Mistakes that costs money like this can happen, even when people think they are invincible. If I were going to buy $38,000 in coins, I would travel to the coin shop and pick them up myself. I'm not saying this is the buyer's fault or the dealer's fault, just that is alot of money to risk mailing to someone.


    It's like buying a car online, I would go pick it up, instead of leaving it to them to deliver.
     
  4. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    I think you missed an important part of the article - the buyer is not out the coins, the DEALER is out the coins. The dealer shipped the coins to the wrong person and cannot get them back.
     
  5. Coinguy56

    Coinguy56 Member

    Well the messed up part is, that the dealer is selling something that expensive online. I mean, the insurance would be ridiculous on something like that, should it get lost. I wouldn't care if the dealer is 1200 miles away, I'd travel to the dealer and pick them up to avoid risks like that. And, to save money on shipping and insurance. And like you said, to avoid the dealer making a mistake like that.
     
  6. quartertapper

    quartertapper Numismatist

    Well, I think the Athens man has coming what he deserves. That signature definately helps the cause.
     
  7. Aslanmia

    Aslanmia Active Member

    PCGS does it day in and day out. Look at the insurance costs for shipping $100k back and forth... it's really not that expensive.

    In the U.S., you have options, but here in Canada we pay a set price for PCGS return shipping. For around $100 all my coins are insured up to $100,000.
     
  8. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    For $38,000 I'd be making a trip to Georgia. ;)
     
  9. Numismania

    Numismania You hockey puck!!

    I believe that if you are sent something in the mail, addressed to YOU, whether you bought it, requested it, etc, there is nothing that says you have to send it back. Now with that being said, the 'wrong' guy is probably a customer of said dealer, and ETHICALLY, should send them back (and probably receive a nice 'thank you' in return for being honest. However, I believe if it's addressed to you, it's yours. I could be wrong, and would appreciate being corrected if I am.

    I AM too lazy right now to look up the 'official' postal rules, but I am certain I heard this from my carrier....but most carriers are lucky if they can match the correct address of the residence to the address on the parcel/letter, etc..at least where I am. I had to fight tooth and nail for my $600 for an HK-19 that was delivered to a different address. It was ddressed to my residence, on Washington Ave .....and there is no other Washington in town, not Washington St, not washington Terr, Washington Pl, not another street in town with Washington. The carrier (who was a temp, as my regular carrier takes good care of my 'incomings' for me) signed for the package herself (how stoooopid can one be?). The Office of Internal Affairs got involved, carrier just went 'duh' when asked if she knew where it COULD have been delivered to. When questioned why SHE signed for it, she said the person wasn't home, so she signed for it and left it (the return address was NOT the kind to send a red flag, nothing but a normal residence return address, nothing indicating it was a coin, or any other collectible). I don't believe it was a 'postal theft' type of thing, just a case of yet another carrier with an IQ in the single digits (no offense to any letter carriers in the house). After 3 months, I got my money.

    As an aside, any claim filed with sig confirm...if there is ANY type of signature, initials, etc....will be AUTOMATICALLY denied, as the original claim is handled by their computer system...the system shows a signature and BOOM, auto decline. The P.O. doesn't make it easy to file a claim.

    But, back to the original issue with the seller/shipper putting on the wrong shipping address...like I said, I believe there is no legal responsibility on the part of the receiver to send it back. If it's addressed to YOU, it's YOURS, period (again, if someone knows my statement to be incorrect, please correct me).
     
  10. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Isnt there a thing called insurance?
     
  11. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    If he doesn't return those coins, or make arrangements to get them back to the dealer, he should be prosecuted.
     
  12. Merc Crazy

    Merc Crazy Bumbling numismatic fool

    And I'd say it's highly probable that he will. If a bank accidentally deposits $1,000,000 into your account and you withdraw it, you'll be charged with a crime.
     
  13. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    I would probably travel farther for less. :)
     
  14. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    darn it shipped my box o crapola to another person..lol..
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Numismania - what you are talking about is when something is sent to you - unsolicited - like when Littleton sends you coins for approval, along with a bill for those coins. In a case like that, you can keep the coins with no ill effects to you.

    But what happened here is that the coins were sent to the wrong person. And in the end the courts are going to side with the dealer amd make the person who received the coins, return, or pay for those coins.

    The law is pretty clear on this issue. Just because somebody makes a mistake, that does not entitle you (the person who received the coins) to a windfall profit. As already stated, it's the same principle as a bank making a mistake and depositing money into your account.
     
  16. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    that much money in coins should be requiring pickup,, id go pick it up..
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Packages valued at $25,000 are routinely mailed Registered Mail every single day. Packages valued much higher are also mailed every day by coin dealers who are self insured (means they have private insurance).

    If coin dealers had to personally deliver or buyers had to personally pick up coins with values of 5 or 6 figures - coins would not be sold. It is completely impractical to expect hand delivery or pickup. Using the mail, or other delivery service, is the normal and expected method.
     
  18. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    OUCH... $38K is a lot of money. We all make mistakes, so I feel for the poor guy. I hope they can arrange a suitable compromise.
     
  19. Coinguy56

    Coinguy56 Member

    Thank you!
     
  20. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    Depending upon the buyer's location, that could require days of travel and/or hundreds of dollars in expenses. Shipping is generally far more efficient and practical, as well as less costly. And despite what happened in this instance, it is very safe in the vast majority of cases.
     
  21. Coinguy56

    Coinguy56 Member

    I still wouldn't want to risk that kind of money and items lost.
     
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