Origin of the $ Sign

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Owle, Mar 12, 2011.

  1. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    I used to get a newsletter from a Mr. McMaster where he would go over a lot of different topics of an economic and investment nature. In one issue he discussed the origin of the dollar or "$" sign as having origin in the symbol for "SATAN".

    Thank God for Wikipedia that completely dispells this idea:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_sign

    Instead, the best idea is that it originated from the symbol for the gates of Hercules with a ribbon around it.

    Anyone with a contrary opinion is welcome to post that here.
     
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  3. Taylor101

    Taylor101 New Member

    Many suggestions have been made about the origin of the dollar symbol $, one of the commonest being that it derives from the figure 8, representing the Spanish 'piece of eight'. However, it actually comes from a handwritten 'ps', an abbreviation for 'peso' in old Spanish-American books. The $ symbol first occurs in the 1770s, in manuscript documents of English-Americans who had business dealings with Spanish-Americans, and it starts to appear in print after 1800.
    The word 'dollar' itself derives from the Flemish or Low German word daler (in German taler or thaler), short for Joachimstaler, referring to a coin from the silver mines of Joachimstal, in Bohemia (now Jáchymov in the Czech Republic). The term was later applied to a coin used in the Spanish-American colonies and also in the British North American colonies at the time of the American War of Independence. It was adopted as the name of the US currency unit in the late 18th century.http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/page/91
     
  4. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Actually, the dollar sign came into vogue in the years leading to the Revolutionary War when the tax collectors of King George were required to post his taxation proclamations in the cities, towns and villages of the colonies in prominent places for everyone to read. These sites also became sources of information posted from the other colonies, sort of like a "Colonial Blog". Being considerate of the religious beliefs of many of the colonists, the people who posted such information did not want to offend the moral values of the families, so their responses to the King's taxation proclamations were very short and simple..........$crew you!

    Chris
     
  5. RickieB

    RickieB Expert Plunger Sniper

    The $ Sign carries with it many accounts of it's orign. One of the widely accepted explanations is that as the result of the evolution of the Mexican or Spanish "Pieces" of Eight. In theroy, derived from the study of old manuscripts, is that the "S" gradually came to be written over the "P" thus developing a close equivalent of the "$" mark. It was widely used before the adoption of the United States Dollar in 1785.

    Source: Small Size U.S. Paper Money; Schwartz/Lindquist
     
  6. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    now see the story that I had heard is that you overlay a U and an S (US) and you got our dollar sign with 2 upright Is
     
  7. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    Interesting accounts of " Origin " . They all seem very plausible . Personally, I lean more toward the " Gates of Hercules " concept.
     
  8. Taylor101

    Taylor101 New Member

    Very Interesting points!
     
  9. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Whatever the source the dollar sign goes before the numeral, not after.

    $1 - right

    1$ - wrong
     
  10. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Note that in Portugal the cifrão (a $ sign with two vertical lines) always went after the numeral, as it was supposed to separate the escudos and centavos. For example, "20$00" would be 20 escudos.

    Christian
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    While there are many theories written about how the dollar sign came to be, there is one that you won't find anyplace but in this forum. And that is my own personal theory. It is also the ony theory that is based on actual evidence to back it up instead of merely the speculation that all of the other theories are based on.

    It's quite simple. Back when this nation was young the most widely circulated coin was called the Spanish dollar, the 8 reales coin. Now this coin was minted at all of the Spanish colonial mints. But the mint that produced more coins than any other (because the silver deposit there was the largest in existence) was Potosi. And since the coins minted there were the most common, the mint mark on those coins came to signify the dollar. And thus it was adpopted as the sign for the dollar.

    As for the evidence above and beyond what I have noted above, see for yourself. Then you tell me which theory seems to make the most sense as to where the dollar sign came from.

    The coin and the mint mark -
     

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  12. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    You didn't care for my theory? LOL!

    I think yours is the most logical. Thanks for that tidbit, Doug!

    Chris
     
  13. RickieB

    RickieB Expert Plunger Sniper

    Doug:

    The reference I used is talking about the same thing almost...I have read many therioes and found this to be the most widely accepted.
    In your example the "P" is over the "S"
     
  14. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    It'
    s fun to consider all the possibilities, but of course the logic of the " Pieces of Eight " weighs in far better .
     
  15. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    I like your theory Doug :)
     
  16. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    It actually dates back as far as the time of the Knights Templar.

    You know how a roommate would signal their other roommate(s) that the apartment was in use for sex with a significant other by putting a necktie on the doorknob?

    Well the Knights Templar used this symbol on the entry to their vault where they kept their treasure, it meant for others to not come into the vault because they were counting their money. The slash down through the S was a warning to those who would ignore this sign and entered anyway, they would wind up being run through by an Excalibur.

    Or it's what GD posted :D
     
  17. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    Thanks Owl, live and learn. Now I know "The Rest of the Story""Good day"
     
  18. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    There's more than a few tales . I love hearing all of them .
     
  19. Irish2Ice

    Irish2Ice Member


    This was always my understanding as well. The good ole U.S.of.A has always been known to take the best of the world and make it there own. The influence and creation probably came from many sources but WAS originally written as a "U" with an "S" over it. There are many and widely known examples of this. Later it was shortened to what we now know as
    $, the dollar symbol.
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It isn't actually. They took the P, T and S (in that order) from POTOSI and created a die punch that made all 3 letters in the die at the same time. It isn't like an over-mint mark at all.
     
  21. ratpack7

    ratpack7 New Member

    Actually your theory is up on the Wikipedia page with a pic of 1768 coin.
     
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