Would you consider any of these coins Brilliant UnCirculated ?

I seem to think less then BU
maybe someone with a better eye thinks differently

 

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It's hard to tell from those photos. There is a lot of burned out areas where light is reflecting off the surface of the coins. Plus photos taken at a steep angle usually have parts of the coin in focus and other parts out of focus. (It is preferred to take photos of coins straight on rather than at an angle - unless you have a compelling reason to do so, e.g., getting a photo of the edge.)

 

Like Hobo said it's tough to tell from those pictures, especially on The 64-d where there is a bright glare where the majority of the wear, if present, would be.

 

Look for wear in the following areas: (source: ANA Grading Standards 6th Edition)
The Cheek line closest the mouth
right above the jaw line
The neck line above the letter "W"
Right in the center of the head
Basically all the high points of a Kennedy Half Dollar. If wear is found in these areas it could put into a <60 or Circulated grade.
I should mention that bag marks are not considered in a 59 vs 60+...

 

With the light glare, it is hard to tell if there is any light wear to knock any of them down to an AU. But, the luster would tell me the 2000-D and 1964-D are likely MS60 uncirculated (or brilliant uncirculated if you prefer that term). The other two could be higher, but better pictures would help.

 

As previously stated, the angle of the photos makes it hard to judge condition, but if these coins were purchased already in the Dansco from a dealer, it's pretty common that they build these sets to sell using only very low MS & PF grades that would not be worth having certified.

Chris

 

I think you could describe them as "Uncirculated" but leave the "Brilliant" off if you are selling.
It's not that they might NOT be BU, but even one minor mis-description could cause you grief.

If you are keeping them for your own collection then BU is okay.

 

Those look more AU than BU.

 

Thats what I was thinking ..
They have a nice gleam / sheen but banged up pretty good

Which explains the bang marks .. mostly the one with WE almost torn off
and what I call teeth marks on the 64

And no .. there not for sale, just for fun .. BTW these are not the Abon coins I was complaining about .. in case you were wondering ..
These came from elsewhere and are keepers
just trying to clarify what condition they are in

I have another set look like jewels that my preferred dealer sent me to look over
and the thing is both sets had the term "BU" attached
These look nowhere as nice as the others ..

I think its all in the different opinions of dealers / people in general
and the dealer who sent me these may have a different opinion then I ..
no biggie I'm keepin them either way

just want to hear what others may think ..

 

You've hit the proverbial nail, grading opinions, and they vary from person to person, and TPG to TPG.

 

I'd like to see both sides with no angles. I'm not very good at all at taking pics but you have to provide us with better ones for us to give educated opinions. Thanks.

 

What I have noticed is terms are used loosely .. to me brilliant / uncirculated is close to how it left the mint (how close ?) MS =
uncirculated ,, possible toning loss of gleam but if at all very lightly scuffed // some coins go through coin roll machine dumped into containers
though others better cared for // Mint Sets
If it has changed many hands before it reached me but never used as regular currency then its Almost Uncirculated /// shows a little more surface markings

Lets say I'm selling you a Harley and tell you the paint and chrome is Brilliant .. would you expect dings and scratches ? even a Brilliant Diamond ?
or one more .. Lets say I'm playing a trumpet and miss a note .. not Brilliant any more in sound quality

even with the pictures as poor as they are .. you can clearly see where to coins have been hit .. I assure you they glow/shine nicely
The "Damage" was more my concern ......

So in short
The best way to buy coins IS face to face
UNLESS
You get the option to send back for a full refund if they don't meet your personal Standards ???

 

I consider coins to be uncirculated as long as they are within the Government striking and distribution process.
They may be VERY baggy but they are still Unc.
Look at the GSA Morgans; many nasty looking coins but they were Unc.
(Mine slabbed at MS-62.)
I don't believe downgrading below MS really starts until the coins leave the Federal Reserves and enter use through the private banking system.

 

It's hard to tell from those pics, but it seems like you are worried about 'marks'.
They look baggy for sure.
That doesn't mean they have been circulated.
BU coins can have dings and such from the mint.
'Bag marks' is the general term.
Coins in mint sets often have these marks.

Edit:
Remember, there are 11 grades of BU...
The lowest being 60, and "perfect" being 70.
Every bag mark, or 'contact mark' reduces the grade, but if they show no wear, they are still uncirculated.

 

They look unc to me too, though the '64 might have "roll rub". This would be equivalent to wear on a later date coin as it is essentially wear on only the very highest point usually caused by moving around in a roll or plastic tube.

 

sorry double post
please delete this one ..

 

There ya go !! Now there is the answer I was looking for !!! .. kinda understand a little more

If a seller list coins as BU it is up to me to inquire what grade BU or otherwise suspect MS-60 then figure if worth while from there ?
just because it says BU don't exactly make it a GEM

 

And wear is not "bag" marks
but more like rubbing off the finish ?
lowering high spots ETC..

 

Yes.

To determine if a coin has true wear or not turn it slowly sideways between your eye and a light source. The high points of the design will seem to almost jump off the surface. Now turn the coin back and forth and compare the color of those high spots to the rest of the coin. Wear causes them to turn greyish and always starts at these high spots first. If the high spots are lustrous and look like the rest of the coin then it is unc. If they are grey it is AU or lower.

 

sometimes BU stands for Beat Up