Ebay Counterfeits, PCGS/NGC Counterfeits Plus More

The folks here might enjoy this photo collection (1,000 plus) of counterfeits covering most aspects of numismatics. A little bit of everything. Click onto the photostream or review the individual sets and photos. PCGS appears to be the choice of the Chinese forgers. Hundred(s) pictured.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinforgeryebay/

 

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Welcome nickelnut! That is one disturbing link.....

 

that is amazing.

 

Oh my, many of those are good fakes too. It goes to show that just because a coin is slabbed by a top TPG, you almost need to be an expert in the type of coin you're purchasing and have the ability to determine if it's a fake. And for me, unless something obvious about the coin gives it away as fake; the chances are if it were in a top TPG holder, I would take it at as genuine.

-LTB

 

Gosh you give them some tools and they can go to town. But there is one little secret, the Chinese are all about quantity over quality. Thats just the way there system is, but man some of those are down right scary!!! They even strike them, and that is whats wayyy scary!
Oh and forget about breaking international laws, cause our government always looks the other way cause we owe them an awful lot of money. Sort of like letting the bookie set on your new couch, you just can't say no...
They even counterfeit Dansco album if you can believe that!!! I'm not even sure my Nikey are real? LOL
Anyways, nice post...

 

is there a way to cross reference the numbers on a slabbed coin to a database to see where that coin last existed is?

 

How "someone" knew they were fake would be great information.

SCARY site and make me second guess everything I've EVER bought on e-bay.

 

I don't think so FD, at least from the website. PC GS really needs to use a Microsoft type system - as much as I hate it. That would literally attach the user to the coin. I mean they already have a registry that does that in a way, so it wouldn't be to hard to impliment...
I don't want to start anymore drama today (LOL), but I'm used to posting gun photo's and the one thing we always do is obscure the serial number, and folks that probably wouldn't be a bad idea to start doing it with your slabs. Especially big boy coins...
I know that's where the Chicoms are getting the numbers from! Heck I wouldn't be surprise if they visit this site to get legit numbers to forge or worse the PCGS registry...
Good Point FD!

 

I was thinking (Don't Laugh) They should at least show "Possible Forgery" on the cert verification page and allow the owner of the original coin to reslab the coin at a reduced fee...

..and when I mean reduced (I think this was brought up on another thread) I mean 10 buck period! Hey it's not your fault the Chicoms are forging your coin (I might get a little ego boast), and PCGS should stand by its garentee...

 

Are all the slabs fake, or are some genuine slabs containing counterfeit coins?

 

From what I've read they are all Chicoms, in fact I wonder where PCGS gets there slabs from?
However some of the latter one's had some slight differences, but I wouldn't surprised if they got that all worked out by now...
They test the waters, get some feedback from forums, and work out the bugs...
They are truly assimilating our stuff, and they have tons of practice with almost 100% immunity!

 

As metal prices continue to rise, this can only get worse.

 

Many PCGS counterfeits are sold openly as counterfeits on the internet from Asian wholesalers. Finding and purchasing PCGS counterfeits is rather easy.

Here is a typical example.

http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale/sto...ce=&maxprice=&pagesize=&viewtype=1&catalogid=

 

I just came across this thread. By the looks of it I might have fall victim to this too. Though I don't fully blame the seller because I don't think even they knew it was a fake. I'd like others opinions. I hope the pic is ok, took enough of them just to get this shot! I thought the grade on it was rather odd. There is a hologram on the back that says PCGS, but from what I've read those are faked too. If so I'll have to go back to where I got it. If it's a counterfeit.

 

1000+ fake slabs. yaaaaaaaayyyyyy. :l

 

I think that PCGS should come up with a reslab program. Every time you'd have a coin certified by them, they'd send you a certificate for one free reholder or regrade. This would help a lot because if you could obtain one, you could send it in with a suspicious slab that you just purchased off of eBay for example. They would look the coin over and reholder it if it was genuine. Just my two cents.

 

I'll wait to get more confirmation mine's a fake. I strongly suspect it is, but before I attempt to resolve this I need the proper ammunition.

 

Good heavens !! and everyone is in such an uproar over premiums for toners.... how about paying a premium for a fake coin.....

I wonder which is currently in greater circulation within the hobby,,, the number of AT coins in 1st tier TPG holders, or the number of fakes in 1st tier TPG holders ?

 

I thought all PCGS holders had a bar code by 1999.?? I, like you, would be very wary.

Take your loupe and check the font. If the letters are jagged its fake.
Also, check the hologram for misspelled words. That was an early indicator of fake holders.