1853-O Half Dollar only 3 known

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by kangayou, Feb 20, 2011.

  1. kangayou

    kangayou Junior Member

    I was following an auction on Saturday and this very worn out coin came up and it said that it was very rare since there were only supposed to be 3 known specimens. It was an 1853-O U.S. Half Dollar. By the time I clicked to bid online it had just sold for $150.00

    Question: If a coin is this worn out is it still worth a premium based on rarity ?
     

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  3. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    Heck yeah!! ...if it's genuine. I don't know enough about that series of half dollars to offer an opinion...other than the reverse suggests it is the "no arrows" variety. I would be really amazed if a genuine 1853-O "No Arrows" sold for $150...in ANY condition...plugged, waffled, you name it!
     
  4. kangayou

    kangayou Junior Member

  5. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    My guess is you saved yourself $150.
     
  6. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    Well real ones sell for $240,000 and up and are auctioned in Houses like Stacks, etc.. where the last one sold for $368,000 in VF35. For $150, do you think the buyer or the seller was the one that got shafted?
     
  7. jcakcoin

    jcakcoin New Member

    It can be a 2053 for all I care.

    It is a real coin, however, not a 1853-O
     
  8. chip

    chip Novice collector

    That is one slick half. That worn with the right light and a good imagination it might be any date you want it to be. I like how the yellow #8 sticker sits right over where someone might like to get a good look at the date.
     
  9. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    The slab clearly states $135K...why wasn't that the starting price??
     
  10. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    I hear you chip. Unless I'm missing something, I couldn't tell if it were an 1853 or something else. I think whoever bought it got shafted. How convenient that the sticker covers the last part of the date.

    Bruce
     
  11. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

  12. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    It's actually 1/4 page down as the 1853-O and collaborates my earlier post on value.
     
  13. chridular

    chridular Member

    As for coinc with only 3 known, isn't it pretty well known in the coin community through documentation, when and where those coins sold? I would imagine there would be pics online to compare if there are only 3, though I could be quite wrong.
     
  14. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    I think the Seller is suggesting that his/her coin is #4...and would rather some nice auction person get it rather than some mean old dealer.
     
  15. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Yes, but there is always the possibility that a fourth one may appear. Case in point was the 1873 CC no arrows and rays quarter. For nearly a century there were only four known pieces and it was a well established "fact" that there were only four of them. Then one day at a show a "little old lady" came up to Larry Briggs table with a coin she wanted to ask about. The fifth known specimen. All three of the 1853-O no arrows halves are well worn, so why couldn't there be a fourth one?
     
  16. chridular

    chridular Member

    Ok. Got it. I seldom think in terms of "another one possibly out there" when it comes to such rare coins. :)
     
  17. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    Absolutely there could...but when was the last time you saw a "geuine" $135,000 coin (marked as such) in a beat up 2x2 for sale on the internet?
     
  18. kangayou

    kangayou Junior Member

    So my initial question when I started this thread was: Could a coin that is worn so flat still be considered valuable simply because of it's rarity ?
     
  19. USMoneylover

    USMoneylover Active Member

    without a doubt
     
  20. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    However, chances are it's simply an 1852, 1851, 1850, ..., or an 1840 with the date worn off.

    In other words, I see nothing (outside the description written on the 2x2) to suggest it is in fact an 1853-o w/o arrows, and the odds are overwhelming against it.
     
  21. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    I'm sorry, I thought I offered a definitive answer to your question in Post #2...please let me try again:

    A coin's value is determined by the desire of others to own it. I believe there is a significant number of collectors that would compete to own a genuine 1853-O "No Arrows, No Rays" Seated Liberty Half Dollar...even in a "worn flat" condition..."simply because of it's rarity".
     
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