If all lines are raised as you say then I have no idea what caused them, but they are most definitely not die polish lines. As I have explained many times, die polish lines cannot be on the devices because of the manner in which dies are polished. But there is more even beyond that with this coin. Look at the rim, it has the very same lines as the rest of the coin - and the rim is not even formed by the die, but by the collar ! Have to admit the coin has me completely puzzled ??? edit - have to admit I mispoke above. The coin has me so puzzled that I'm not thinking straight. The rim is formed by the die. But it is formed by the die's shoulder which is at an entirely different level than the face of the die. It is recessed farther up the shaft than the rest of the die. So again, die polishing could not make the lines. About the only thing I can think of to explain this is that whatever caused these lines on this coin, it happened post strike.
Did not know this! Learned something new today. So what do you call those lines that occur on a ton of early '90's cents? Die scratches?
After closer examination, I agree that even though these lines are raised (indicative of die polish) it seems that they do cross the raised devices (indicative of post strike polishing) as Doug points out. I am guessing now that perhaps both occurred. However, that does not explain the almost gem MS64 grade. Seems like the TPG saw it as die polish or perhaps liked the eye appeal. This is indeed a coin with an interesting story. TC
I KNow for a fact that I have coins with Die Polish Lines on the devices......Im not talking about seemingly straight lines like the OP's coin but true blue die polish. Also I wouldn't rule out die polish lines for the OP's coin...........its just way to hard to tell
I give! I have no clue what is going on here. Every time I see something that says it the line are due to the planchet, die, etc., I then see something else that tells me it cannot be what I was thinking of. The only thing I can come up with is something happened after the metal was rolled but prior to minting that affected both sides equally. I am at a loss as to what that could be.
1971-S 40% Silver w/polish lines I too have a 1971-S with Die polish line and there not on the Ngc holder
Do die polish lines indicate an early strike or later strike when they were trying to cleanup the dies
OK, let's see them. Yes Jello your coin does have some die polish lines on it. But most of them are not die polish lines. They are hairlines - light scratches caused by mishandling or light cleaning of the coin. Typically die polish lines only show up on coins where the die was clashed and the mint tried to polish out the clash marks. And since a die clash can occur at any point in a die's life it may be a fairly new die or a well worn die.
I'm years too late but wish I had imaged the coin before sending it to PCGS. I thought it would come back a 65. I also ruled out die polish and die cleaning because of how I believe the process is done. Maybe there is a process we don't know of. I wondered if these are stretch marks on the blank, creating a difference in hardness the strike could not remove. The way the toning follows the marks got me thinking about a hardness issue. Also thought of maybe a hardness issue with the die itself at some point when being made. It's an interesting coin that I will probably never really understand.
I agree completely. I would definately upgrade to this coin if I saw it in my local coin dealers display. I cannot figure out what caused this. But, I would agree with Doug that it's post strike.
The same marks being on the rim pretty well rule that out. The rim is the part of the coin where the metal flows and is pushed and stretched more than any other part of the coin. So any marks that were on the planchet in the rim area are completely, 100% destroyed by striking every single time.
I would sooner think that it was air in the top layers - both of them. However, the problem with your theory and mine is that there is no reason to believe that the obverse and reverse layers had anything what so ever to do with each other and yet they have the same lines in the same direction. I really don't think so.
The only thing that makes any sense to me is that this coin was whizzed - and got slabbed anyway. Whizzing a coin will create raised lines.
Is it possible it was a planchet problem? For instance, the lines were left after the strips were rolled out, and they were strong enough to remain after minting.