Did ICG get this one wrong? 1916 really a 1917?

I was looking on ebay and came across this 1916 dateless standing liberty quarter that ICG slabbed genuine 1916. Looking at it based on the terrible pics it looks like a 17 to me. The shield rivets are extremely strong for any grade 16. The bead above the head is full too. From what I can tell it does look to me like a 17. What do you guys think? :hail:

 

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I think ICG really may have made a mistake!

 

2 diagnostics sez 1917
1 of the 3 is uncertain with the images provided.
2 out of three makes it a 17

 

I will say 17 as well!!

 

This coin is without question a 1917. I have seen this coin posted multiple times by this seller(john-boy), and about 6 months ago by coinplus. I have informed both the sellers and ebay that this is not a 1916; all to no avail. But by all means, we should keep trying. I think the fact that he is asking PR1 money for it and it still isnt selling after many months shows that people are suspicious. The seller seems to have a lot of other good genuine coins, so he may just be ignorant. I'm not sure if ICG messed up, or if it is a tampered with slab. I recently saw a fake 1927-s in an ANACS slab that was tampered with, so that is always a possibility.

 

1917

 

It really scares me to think that someone can swap coins and the slab would look so nice.

I get emails all the time from some chinese guy trying to sell me fake pcgs slabs that look so real.

Ebay and the sellers never care if you message them to report things. The reason is alot of buyers message to say all kinds of stupid things to try to get the item cheaper. "oh that coin is cleaned I will offer you $xxx.xx." Now I always like to be as honest as my skills allow........but most of those emails are BS.

Also thanks everyone for your replies. That is going to be a huge mistake for someone.


coins plus also has to be the worst seller on ebay without a doubt. EVERY coin they have listed is cleaned or impaired very badly. None of their auctions make any mention of this. Anyone who buys from them is throwing their money away paying retail for junk

 

The next step ? Notify EBAY and also contact ICG with all the auction information. Complaining here won't resolve anything . Good luck and thanks for the FYI's .

 

I and not complaining. Or at least I am not intending to. Coin fraud has been a problem long before I was around, and will continue to be long after I am gone. I am not on a crusade I just wanted clarification that this is not an actual 1916 regardless of whos mistake/fraud it may be.

 

Agreed, don't you feel some sense of obligation to make certain that those that are in a position to do something about it, are notified ? That is why I posed the question, Next step ? I'm not saying your complaining, but give this thread time, they will show up . LOL

 

I have to agree I do feel a bit obligated to do something. Just the problem that the big guy never cares about the little guy. I did send ICG a message and asked them to have a grader look at the pic. and get it off the market if it was their mistake. I will not hold my breath they will even respond though LOL.

 

I'm not sure ICG will go out and try to buy it off the market from an auction.
I'm sure they would take care of the problem, if the owner sent it in for review.

 

What I saw: The rivits were 1st. Then her hair. Finally the top of her head.

1917.

 

1917 for sure. Maybe somehow ICG got it wrong, or, as suggested before, it has been tampered with.

 

Just curious what,s the price difference between a 1917 and 1916 coin?

 

Here's an awesome picture Johnny54321 made on this subject; for me the dead give away is on the orientation of the 'crease' in the drapery on the left of the coin:




Idk though... would ICG have thrown that coin so haphazardly into its own container too? I smell a scam...

Either way this is DEFINITELY no 1916.

 

There is some obvious differences there, Thanks for the info

 

Here is a PCGS graded PO-01 that just sold for $1100
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http://cgi.ebay.com/1916-Standing-L...43?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item19c219c1e7

If the seller had a legitimate FR02 dateless 16, it should have no problem bringing 4 figures, where as a dateless 17 is worth melt(about $5 or so).

 

WOW!! that,s a big difference!!

 

I've zeroed in on the location of the crease as a reliable quick glance attribution point for the dateless 1916s. Crease over the bulkhead - 1916; Crease over the hip (off the bulkhead) - 1917. The others are good for confirmation, but this seems the most consistently reliable point for attribution of low end type 1 SLQs and no magnification is required.

The coin in the slab is definitely a 1917 as most of you have determined.