The Toning Premium Thread

no idea either. I see two on the 'bay in ngc64, one for 90 the other for 70. Will guess 65 is 2x the higher of the 64's , so rough baseline at 180. I'd like to say 3x from there, but u usually get good deals, so will say you paid 2x'ish.....

... $360

 

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Are you sure this is toning and not just cleaning residue? Blue on copper, as others on another thread here have pointed out, is frequently caused by an old cleaning.

Would this fact, (if it is the fact), change people's opinions of the value of the toning?

 

$125

 

Yes I am sure it's toning and I have never seen an MS70 coin with the myriad of colors that the reverse has plus the magenta around the stars and in the recesses of the legend etc on the obverse. Usually it's a sold blue and sometime there are some pastel pinks thrown in for good measure. To me this does not have the same characteristics of the IHC you speak of but I certainly couldn't say that there is zero chance it was MS70's simply becuase I had not owned it from 1863 to present As far as the value opinions...it should be noted that in 2005 when I purchased the coin there was zero uproar about blue copper so at that time it would have zero effect even if was an obvious case of MS70. Personally I didn't see the blue copper threads start popping up until maybe late 2006 or early 2007.

 

I'll say 300

 

http://www.cointalk.com/t148015/

Was the thread that recently discussed this. It was not talking about MS70 but OLD cleaning, like with soap. I saw coppers blue in the early 80's that otherwise would have been MS.

I have no idea if this is the case with this coin or not, its just blue is not a normal oxidation color of copper. ASSUMING it was from an old cleaning, would it effect the value of the toning? Do toning collectors care what caused the color as long as they are convinced it wasn't AT or on purpose? I am just curious, which is why I brought up the color at all.

 

Shane-

I really like that design, I will guess $175 becuase it was a couple years ago. Wish mine was toned.

 

Actually I don't particularly think blue toning is unusual on copper as I have seen it on hundreds of minst set lincolns, dozens of large cents, hundreds of proof/MS IHC personally but I think that if a coin collector or toned coin collector thought that a piece was messed with an not original then it could affect the value on a case by case basis. In this case...then and now I didn't/don't have any concerns that the piece was cleaned or unoriginal but certainly others may feel differently regardless of what Rick Snow thought of the piece.

 

I'm 3/4 of the way to filling my box of 20 slabbed cwc's 64+65, never saw a toned one so I'll double the price I've been paying and say $175

 

sorry, $176

 

A complete guess of $260

 

I've almost completed 2 box's
I love those little guys.

 

Explain to me how a thin film grows to a particular thickness/color (e.g. blue) with other colors found much less often. Said a bit differently, why is blue so common? To me the answer is obvious -- it's not natural, and given than detergents have been proven to turn copper blue it seems even more so -- however, I am open to alternatives.

Back to the topic at hand, Rick doesn't sell coins cheaply and his affinity for blue-toned copper is well-known, so I'd guess $301.

 

I didn't say blue was common...I just said it wasn't rare as I see it very frequently even in mint sets where we know the coins did not go through the wash and I know the coins weren't MS70'd since some of the sets I have purchased came sealed from the mint in the 50's so blue can and does happen and figuring out all of the factors that could have contributed to making this coin tone blue over a 150 years period would be exhausting.

Maurauder hit it on the nose at $300 which I think was a strong price then and would probably be today as well.....leadfoot was as close as you can get though without getting it so good job gentlemen

 

J-297 PCGS PR64RB Pop 2 R7

 

I know you didn't say it. I was asking a question.

Tell me, what % of Lincoln's in toned 50's sets are blue?

Compare that to the frequency you see it in, for instance, IHC proofs.

Explain the difference.

I can't...without introducing detergents into the discussion.

Bottom line: Clearly, blue is a naturally occurring color in toned copper. However, the frequency in which it is seen in certain coins suggests there's something other than natural processes at play.

 

Marauder, I have NO idea the value of that coin, but my, what a looker!

 

nothing on google that i could find... so damb ! + neon tone = 20k

 

$35,000- I love this coin!

 

Well, I'm not the sheriff (don't shoot me please, Mr. Clapton), but this thread seems to have gotten off track with patterns (very uncommon coins), researching on Google for price trends, not posting when the coin was purchased, the guesser not explaining why the a coin's toning pattern should justify a premium, etc.

OK, now I will continue to watch this thread....................