The Toning Premium Thread

$1200 on the bust half. Very pretty colors too.

 

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That's a beauty! Now I know what happens when Ms. Liberty puts her finger in a wall socket.

I'm guessing this color is slightly less intense in hand (don't want to open a can of worms but this coin seems perfectly lit to bring out its color); will cover the low end with $950.

Overall, truly great eye appeal. Nice find!

 

I'm just going to guess...$2125.

 

A complete guess of $1,500.

 

Looks better than a AU53 but obviously I will lower my guess to 1,150

 

OK, I personally think that it's AT but then again I'm an old guy who drinks a lot so what do I know? The colors don't really follow the proper sequence, halves don't normally tone like that unless they have been cleaned, and it's friggin beautiful. $2,222

 

the coin exibits all natural toning characteristics which is why PCGS slabbed it.

 

I defer to your knowledge but I was just concerned by the different sequence of color progression, yellow/red/blue, which does not occur over the bust. I also have a few slabbed toners that are artificially toned, one by ICG that wouldn't cross to NGC because of questionable toning. PCGS makes mistakes, toned peace dollars for one.

 

all AT coins share artificially toned characteristics. This coin has no toning in the wear spots, the recessed words on Libertys cap is toned differently in each letter, and not on the cap itsellf. So unless someone ATd this over 20+ years ago, worn it down naturally and had it slabbed, there is a high probability it is natural, i know its wierd seeing a Bust half like this but it is what it is

 

Correction: The coin exhibits market acceptable toning characteristics, which is why PCGS slabbed it.

 

That is simply not true. There are many AT coins that share characteristics of NT coins. The problem, of course, is that they are not easy to spot and make their way into the market in PCGS/NGC "market acceptable" slabs.

 

Please post a coin that you feel shares NT characteristics, because frankly every coin I've seen or purchased in holders were easily detectable.

 

You wouldn't know the difference, that's the point.

I posted a bust half with secondary pullback toning, yet many suggested pullback was only on originally toned coins.

Here's another:



Here's another that before a few years ago all the toning enthusiasts said were "tissue paper toned":



And some more:



And these are the "easy" ones. Shall I go on?

 

p.s. a link to the thread discussing the seated dollar can be found here:
http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1633035/site_id/1#import
and here:
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=568175

 

The coppers IMO screamed MS70, I would never buy a full blue toned copper at all, and the seated did not look natural by any means in the CU thread and reading the comments a lot of other people thought so as well.

 

Sure you would, today, along with anyone who's been paying attention to the forums for the past few years.

The better question is, however, what was your opinion in 2005? How about 1995?

The point being that hindsight is always 20-20, but foresight is often not as shown by these coins. Furthermore, I see many exhibiting the same hubris evident back then (e.g. blue toned copper is NT tissue toning), and it may well prove to be incorrect yet again. And that, by my estimation, is a mistake, and why I responded to your authoritatively worded, yet quite incorrect, post.

Tell me, why do you think it "did not look natural by any means"? To the contrary, it exhibits many NT characteristics:

o The color progression is right.

o The colors are right.

o White centers like many album toned coins.

o The toning is mottled and asymmetrical.

o It was in a PCGS slab!!!!



What's wrong with the coin? You tell me, and please be specific as to how you can identify this coin as something a doctor cooked up in a month versus spending 20 years in a Whittman, LOC, or WR album?

[edited to add:]
Listen, I'm as big of a toned coin lover as anyone on here. However, the love of toned coins (and being invested in them) shouldn't change our objectivity to the facts and the ever-changing and danger-filled landscape of NT/AT or MA/NMA.

 

I'm not saying it's AT, but this statment makes it sound as if it a common 'natural' toning pattern..... yet it's the only one I've ever seen to present such a pattern that I've seen... show me another like it. stunning coin.

 

What do MA and NMA stand for? Thanks.

 

Market Acceptable and Not Market Acceptable

 

I totally understand where your coming from, and I agree with you to a certain extent. The restrike above just doesnt look right especially on the face with the added Purple color, just throws up a red flag IMO. Maybe 5 years ago my perspective would of been different. I just go with my gut most of the time, if I have to second guess something I walk away.