1923-S Opinions please

I picked this up recently. It is ANACS graded, but I am not interested in try to guess what ANACS said, but rather what you think it would grade. The reverse is pretty nice and my picture is pretty accurate. My obverse picture shows the details (or lack there of) pretty well, but the color is a bit lighter than the coin in hand. Apparently they needed a bunch of grease for the obverse. In hand you can almost tell where the grease stops. And, yes, there is a obvious "S" in hand.

BTW, it has above average luster for a brown coin. And, the spots on the obverse I would guess are stains rather than carbon spots.

 

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Either that is one worn coin or this these are bad pictures. Lol, I can't even see the S mintmark.

 

That's quite the example. I came here from a post you made on the Jeff 50 D thread. I would not know where to start on this grade. I would say the Obv detracts from the overall grade. Great looking Rev though. Am I right?

 

Looks like a struck through grease error on the obverse.

 

Very correct, but the question is how do you combine them to grade the coin as a whole?

 

I made a post a long time ago about this kind of issue and it generated quite the discussion.

 

With the way the lettering and numbers are is that how you can tell it's Struck through grease vice normal wear?

 

Yes. The die get filled with grease and prevents the devices to be formed in the areas affected. Too bad it is on an older coin like yours. It does get worse:

 

In this case, yes. However, there is lots of luster where the coin is missing detail. You cannot wear the coin away and retain luster where it is worn. Luster and wear are mutually exclusive. My coins has complete luster.

 

au58

 

Grading this coin would be similar to a weak stike. Luster, color, bag and handling marks are key to grading. Use the example of the grading of the 1922 no D and you'll see what I mean.

 

I realize these are not the best pictures. Maybe there is not enough detail to catch the light. Here are 4 more attempts. Regardless, I see no wear either from my pictures nor in hand.

 

I can finally see the "S" in the last two shots.

 

Dick,
With the new pictures you provided, that coin shows a lot more detail to it however I dont feel like I am experienced enough to give you an educated guess as to what grade it is. On a side note,
I have to side with GDJMSP and Coinhead and think that we have to take what they say into consideration as well.

 

In order for it to be AU, it must have wear. I do not see it. If you see it, please tell me where.

BTW, don't forget http://www.cointalk.com/t142802/, http://www.cointalk.com/t140349/, http://www.cointalk.com/t138355/, http://www.cointalk.com/t136512/, etc.

 

what????????? thast is just way over grading to say that


id say obverse fine 12 /filled die, reverse xf40 - au50

 

In the post above the OP asks where the wear is... There isn't, so Fine-12 and XF-AU50 is out of the question... All it does is lacks luster in MS terms and was greased die.

 

The reverse seems to be a 64 or possibly a 65 and the overall grade of 62, JMO...