1796 Rev of 97 S-113?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by LostDutchman, Dec 15, 2010.

  1. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Hey gang! I bought this coin this past weekend at a coin show from a dealer and am just now getting to attribute it. I think I got a monster.

    I want to make sure I'm not dreaming...Is this a 113? R5? State II with no clash? Listed as extremely rare in Breens book.
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  3. CappedBustDimes

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  4. Lugia

    Lugia ye olde UScoin enthusiast

    excellent pick up. a solid F12-15 with a few small scratches.
     
  5. CappedBustDimes

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  6. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Yes, the crack through the date is diagnostic. Could I ask what you plan on asking for the "monster" (I need to replace my 113.)
     
  7. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I hadn't thought of that honestly Conder. I spoke with Tom Reynolds about it today and I am going to let him take a hands on look at it at FUN if it makes it that far. If you want to talk more shoot me a PM.
     
  8. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter


    Where did all that great information go CBD? It was helpful and I appreciated it.
     
  9. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Looks like State IV to me.

    Great pickup and nice condition.

    It should tie for #8 or #11 in the CC.
     
  10. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Okay - only a sheldon book, what is up with the E in liberty? I can't tell if that is a crack through it or what. My book does not mention this and most of the examples I could find did not show the same thing.
     
  11. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    It's possible that it's a later state V and part of the reason the die was retired. It does appear that the failure of the die at 7 and A(T) may be there. It looks like it's just about to be a CUD at the 7 which was postulated, but not seen by Breen.

    It's also possible that it is some type of strikethrough.
     
  12. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Wow, I have to say that is one heck of a coin..................1796 DBC's with smooth surfaces are rare - probably less than 1 in 10-20. I have 7 1796 DBC's and only one is comparable to this one with regard to surfaces. An S-113 as nice as this is one is definitely a monster!
     
  13. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I agree with Marshall, state IV. It is definitely later than the state III piece pictured in Breen but it is earlier than the State V shown where the crack through the 17 and hair continues heavily to the rim. (Bu it doese seem to be showing the failing of the die below the 7 mentioned for State V.) So I'd say it is a late state IV .
     
  14. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Late IV or early V. I guess it's a matter of opinion about what EXACT point it changes. This would suggest the flaw at E is more likely a strike-through of some kind or planchet flaw since there are later die states without the flaw.
     
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