we have had one attempted break in, the poor guy came face to face with my 2 bull terriers and me with a cricket bat, it's hard to run away when 2 staffies have hold of one of your legs. cheeky ******* then tried to sue me because my dogs had caused so much damage to his leg.
We had one judge for the entire trial & then on the day of conviction & sentencing, we had a different judge. The sentencing judge explained that the attempted burglary charge holds the same penalty because it is understood that it would have escalated to actual burglary if it had not been thwarted.
The only thing that will really stop these people is for them to break into the wrong house, like mine. I'll shoot first ask questions later. These people are the scum of the earth and not many folks will shed a tear if they were gone...
This particular man is a gang member. He was a heroin addict & he was busy at his only trade which is assault & burglary. The sentencing judge made certain that he understood what was happening & confirmed that he did not need any medication & that he was not drowsy in any way. Then she nailed him.
Selective Public Policing Policies Those living in urban areas of states with policies of reasonable law enforcement should be thankful for the assistance of the local constables. Residing in a Liberal state that brags of it's low incarceration rate, often in the event of property crimes, criminals are released back onto the streets based on their own recognisance, to again repeat their violations with impunity. Living in a secluded rural area often precludes policing activities, where officers need only call when a violation is reported, unless there's a Capital violation. Victims must file their own reports, if record is desired, in the event of criminal violation. Police are more concerned about their safety, having a new multi-million dollar secure facility where public access is denied. They gloat about the drug arrests and the confiscation of money/property which has allowed them new premier unmarked vehicles for their private use. When trying to establish "community policing", I was warned about the penalties for Vigilante activities. After 6 burglaries, and the loss of many guns, valuable private possessions, etc., private vigilance was dictated. Patrol dogs have been acquired, cameras/detectors installed, high continuous metal/barbed-wire fencing and gates installed on many properties. Notification signs are prominently displayed through-out the community at major intersections with stop signs. We formed a private policing group having uniforms for patrol, but were notified by the public unionized police force that the uniforms were unacceptable to them, and that they've initiated legal action in several jurisdictions. We discarded the uniforms, but not surveillance, and now know where numerous criminals reside, and violations have diminished. Laws are generally impotent without public participation, so I personally recommend diligence and personal protective strategies, rather than reliance on others. :thumb:
I believe just a few blocks from my house across the border into AZ it is perfectly legal to shoot an intruder if they enter your home. Maybe if all states allowed this instead of trying to throw the victim in prison for protecting their family and property, there would be less crime. A burglar who on average might get away with a few hundred dollars worth of stuff has to equate possible death into the equation when those alternatives are existent. Guy
I believe, like all states, you have to have a reason that you shot them - your life has to be in danger.
It's one thing to talk about shooting someone, and quite another, to actually do it. Don't arm yourself, if you can't , you will get killed .
All state laws are not the same. Rhode Island's castle doctrine (RIGL 11-8-8) for example states that: "In the event that any person shall die or shall sustain a personal injury in any way or for any cause while in the commission of any criminal offense enumerated in §§ 11-8-2 – 11-8-6, it shall be rebuttably presumed as a matter of law in any civil or criminal proceeding that the owner, tenant, or occupier of the place where the offense was committed acted by reasonable means in self-defense and in the reasonable belief that the person engaged in the criminal offense was about to inflict great bodily harm or death upon that person or any other individual lawfully in the place where the criminal offense was committed. There shall be no duty on the part of an owner, tenant, or occupier to retreat from any person engaged in the commission of any criminal offense enumerated in §§ 11-8-2 – 11-8-6." As an NRA certified firearms instructor I implore anyone considering the use of firearms to defend their home to research their own state laws. Blanket statements do not apply.
How true. As a Viet Nam vet, I am fully aware of the resolve it takes to actually shoot someone and end their existence. However, being disabled and home 24/7, I would not hesitate to do so. Although I am sure I would feel badly if I had to off someone that broke into my home, I assure you that the defense of my spouse and myself would take precedence over any hint of a hesitation I may have. Just because it's not something I want to do, I would do it in a heartbeat if required to. And if the people coming at me, kill me, so be it. I hope to go down fighting and hopefully, not alone. I would much rather be tried by a jury of 12 of my peers, than be carried in a coffin by 6 of them. gary
1983...walked out the front door, house empty, drove about 2 miles and realized I forgot brief case on bar. Returned home and when I unlocked the front door, a blast of cool air hit me, the window was smashed out in the master bedroom. They used the comforter off the bed to put their loot in. Obviously I was being watched, there were some roofers working behind my house and the police asked them if they seen anything suspicious like Santa Clause leaving through my back door? We see nothing...BS, get down here and put your ID's on the hood of this truck. Never got my stuff back, what sucks, is the insurance deductible was $500 so you're automatically out that much. The Pawn Shops are not allowed to take coins unless they are graded (serial numbered) none ever showed up that were slabbed and of course, the raw ones are history. I was bitter for months about it, but after hearing several break-ins where the home owners were home made me feel that it was better that I was gone because I would have been confrontational and with out a weapon in my hands.
We have very similar backgrounds and present day situations . I know there quite a few youngsters in these threads, and I don't want them to get any false sense of bravado . Be thankful if you can walk away from situations such as the subject matter presented.
Glad it ended well... Sorry you had so much trouble. I keep all my valueables in the bank, ADT on the house, and have great neighbors. A kid tried to take the Flowmaster mufflers off my car one afternoon, and my neighbors held him at gunpoint until the law arrived! He was in 'juvey' half a day by the time I got home and found out! Hope no one else has to go through this crap.
Explanation of castle doctrine in my state (set up to protect homeowners from prosecution and civil liability): [SIZE=-1]Florida's "Castle Doctrine" law does the following:[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]One: It establishes, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, so the occupant may use force, including deadly force, against that person.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Two: It removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be. You no longer have to turn your back on a criminal and try to run when attacked. Instead, you may stand your ground and fight back, meeting force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Three: It provides that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force. It also prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them. In short, it gives rights back to law-abiding people and forces judges and prosecutors to focus on protecting victims.[/SIZE] Edit: This is the important part that is absent from almost all other state's laws: AUTOMATIC ASSUMPTION THAT AN INTRUDER IS THERE TO CAUSE BODILY HARM This extends to anyplace on private property with a roof, as well as any occupied vehicle anywhere.
Your cousin is a nut, and you can tell him that for me - Where I live, there are alot of different things that enter into the picture of when you can shoot and when you can't - ie: If the person is on your porch breaking in the door you can ONLY shoot through the door if the porch has a roof that is attached to the house....so if it is just a step from the grass into the house....then you would be in the wrong. However, if the steps has a roof that is attached to the porch and house, then you are a-ok. It also doesn't have to be YOUR life - if I'm walking down the street from where I work to where I park my car and I see a rape going on, then I can shoot to kill. Every state has different laws - what counts is that you KNOW the laws where YOU live and that you KNOW you can act if needed. Speedy
I agree in that unless a person is fully prepared for the violence, that it would be best to flee. You know, even after intense training, no one is fully prepared for it when it comes down or how they will react to it. I have instructed my family to just get out if ever confronted. I however am not physically able to run away in a hurry, so it's going to be the Alamo. Sure hope it never happens.
Speedy, Vnickels and I both hail from the same area and I can tell you that what he says is true. A friend of my wife is an NYC police officer and he told me once that if someone breaks into your home and you "off" the poor devil, be sure to punch your wife in the face, tear her bodice, and be sure to place some sort of weapon in the perpetrators hand........So much for protecting ones abode in the Empire State.
But the post Speedy is talking about seemed to say that it was true everywhere - not just in NY state. As has been said many times already - every state has different laws about where & when you may or may not use deadly force legally. Some states even allow you to shoot tresspassers if they have been told to leave and do not leave. And when it comes down to it, sometimes it even matters what town or city you are in, for some states allow cities to have their own specific laws regarding the use of deadly force that do not apply elsewhere in that same state. The point is folks - there is no blanket statement that covers it all. In one state you might go to jail for using deadly force, while 2 miles away in a neighboring state you would be hailed as a hero for doing the exact same thing under the exact same circumstances ! And for those that have a license to carry a concealed weapon, you not only have to know the laws where you live - you have to know the laws everywhere you go as well. They are ALL different !