alert goverment refusing coins for payment

Checked the Treasury fAQ and it says nothing about the government being required to accept legal tender. The question covered whether government agencies had to accept it but the reply only addressed businesses and left the question of government unanswered.

Texas John's answer is good because it provides a legal opinion that they don't have to.

 

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My take is that ole marblemaker is arguing a point which he cannot prove and he's just going to lose. Kicking and screaming all the way to jail about how his "constitutional rights" are being ignored when all he's really being is an ass. (Just like the kids in the UTube Video. BTW, the police had no action on the Towing Company so shame on them.)

Businesses, public or private, government (city/county/state/federal) or non-government can dictate what forms of payment they will or will not accept for goods or services. It's just that simple. Heck, banks can even refuse to take your coins, wrapped or not, since it costs them money to transport. Banks can even refuse to do business with you!

On the other end of the spectrum, try buying your morning coffee with a $100 bill at a business that will not accept bills larger than $20. Are you rights being trampled? Perhaps your right to act like a spoiled little child whose not getting it's way,yes, but other than that I hardly think so.

If marblemaker wants to fight the good fight, perhaps he should pick a fight that has some legal merit and perhaps he should bring the proper equipment such as legal precedent?

After all, you wouldn't want to show up at a gun fight with only a knife now would you?

 

us constitution article 1 section 10 "no state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility."
the town says i owe them money. would that be a debt if they say i owe them money?

 

I read that to mean that "States" cannot coin their own money (i.e. make their own form of legal tender) and that "States" cannot require you to pay your dept in anything but legal forms of acceptable tender. (i.e. Cows, chickens, pigs, or direct personal labor)

This does not mean that a "State" (your dealing with a City BTW and not the "State") can "force" a business or local government to accept "any" form of payment, only that the State cannot "require" a specific form of payment other than legally recognized tender.

Go to the Bank, exchange your coinage for cash and pay your bill. Also, try not to confuse the US Constitution with a State Constitution.

As for your continued Parking Meter comments, the Parking Meter Department is equipped to handle change and more than likely contracts with an outside vendor to count and roll the collected funds. The City of Sacramento has parking meters which ONLY accept Quarters as payment. The meters will eat your cents, nickels, and dimes but it won't rack up time with those forms of "Legal Tender".

Should I sue or would that appear stupid?

 

I haven't paid the ticket but yet i continue to drive if they can violate laws so can i. as far a what you do with your problem you can stand up and be counted or just bow down and accept it, as for me as you can see i take a stand. west virginia constitution article 1 section 1 "the state of west virginia is and shall remain, one of the united states of america. the constitution of the united states of america, and the laws treaties made in pursuance therof, shall be the supreme law of the land."

 

Ahhhh yes... I am reminded my favorite Shakespeare is

much ado about nothing

 

Ok, I think everyone has had a say and we are at a standstill, so to keep the thread from popping up in a year or so, I will close it.

Jim

 

Throughout this thread, I've wondered if perhaps that is what's really happening here.

Personally, if I were a clerk and someone walked up and poured out a large mass of small change, I suppose I might be a bit indignant with them. Anyone who has all that change is quite capable of having an identical amount of cash, which is how the world works and everyone knows it. As a clerk, I would consider it most rude and inconsiderate.

While we're supposedly "taking the high road" and arguing about principles, consider this : the teller / clerk is an innocent bystander, simply doing their job. Is it "principled" to complicate their day and dump a mass of change on them ?

I think not.

 

Ok, now it is closed as 900 fine post slipped in while I was closing it.