John Quincy Adams Collection

And I'm back...kinda.

My first coin buy in a while, thought you guy smight like to see this:










Bronze antoninianus, RIC V 214, gF, Rome mint, weight 2.269g, maximum diameter 19.8mm, die axis 0o, 260 - 268 A.D.; obverse GALLIENVS AVG, radiate head right; reverse IOVI PROPVGNAT, Jupiter standing facing, head right, thunderbolt in right, XI left;


Ex John Quincy Adams Collection, 6th President of the United States, and His Descendants, ex Massachusetts Historical Society Collection, ex Stack’s Sale , 5-6 March 1971, lot 907 (part of).


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Hi Stainless
If you don't mind me asking what did this run you? I'm looking for something from the John Quincy Adams Collection as he was a cousin of mine.

 

I'll PM you the info.

 

aww ya beat me to it I'll post mine when I can

 

and wb

 

I had one but sold it. When I was getting into the hobby, I set up at some local shows and I understood that a successful dealer cannot be emotionally attached to the inventory, so I took my profit and let it go. Just a minoir regret now. I have much larger ones to eclipse it.

 

Thanks for the PM. This one will be in my possession in 3-5 days

Thanks
Richard

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ca...&fld=http://www.forumancientcoins.com/Coins2/

 

Interestingly enough it will end up less than a mile away, and on the same street as where it was kept when it was in John Quincy Adam's collection.

 

Very cool and welcome back(kinda ).

 

mines a 3 for republican, fouree, and J.Q. Adams

Doug S. has a nice nice I believe

 

I have two but neither was lotted singly or illustrated. I hope you got the little ticket with lot number along with the coin. Mine are a follis of Galerius (pretty decent coin) and a not so nice Gallienus panther which I only bought because it was JQA. IMHO you should not pay much of a premium for a coin unless it was lotted singly and illustrated in the catalog so you can prove that the coin is the one sold. I have the little ticket with lot number and the lot number did contain a coin of this type but there is no real proof that my coins are the same ones rather than just the same types. I once owned a Philip I sestertius from the collection but it was a dog and duplicated in my collection by a better specimen so I sold it for exactly what I paid. Those three have been my only coins from the collection. You do not see them offered all that frequently.

 

Thanks Doug
"comes with a John Quincy Adams Collection tag from the Stack's Sale" though I doubt its illustrated. If I understand correctly, didnt his family contiue his collection for a little while? even further diminishing the odds it was actualy in his hands. Either way I'm happy with it

I couldnt decide between the fouree and Gallienus, but I have a few of Gallienus and keep wanting to get fouree's and replucan coins. Its not pretty mind you, but interesting non the less ( and within my budget ) post it when I can.

btw both are cool, but I really like that one of Galerius.

 

Yes and, to the best of my knowledge, there is no way to tell which coins were in the President's collection and which were added after his death. Collecting style of that day was to accumulate as many different coins as possible rather than observing the current emphasis on condition. As a result, many of the coins were low grade and not worth cataloging in the 1970's when they were sold. That resulted in the large lots from which our coins came. He had some nice coins which were sold singly and illustrated but I have never noted one of them offered for sale. If anyone is in Massachusetts and would be able to visit the Mass. Historical Society, I would be interested in knowing if they still have or display any coins from his collection. When they were sold, I understood that they were only selling his ancient and foreign coins but there may be some US or Colonials left. If anyone knows, please report. Quoting from their website:

"The MHS numismatic collection consists of approximately 5,000 medals and tokens, 30 coins, 400 buttons and ribbons, and 3,000 examples of paper money. The strengths of the collection are early colonial Massachusetts coinage, paper money circulating in Massachusetts in the colonial period, paper money and fiscal paper issued by the Continental Congress, obsolete bank notes and scrip issued in Massachusetts, and medals and tokens related to Massachusetts and to the Society's manuscript collections."

30 coins!

 

only 30 !?

 

Good info Doug! I do feel pretty safe with my purchase, as I think its only been to the Mass Hist, Stacks, and then to forum? hopefully the tag will verify that. I guess it's based on trust.

On another note..only 30? sweet! Do you know how much for each (world and ancient)?

stainless

 

Hey Anthony. Good to see ya back posting (kinda) and congrats on an most excellent pickup....

 

Once I owned the catalog but have not been able to find it the last few times I wanted. I have too many boxes in the attic! Maybe it is time to sort the catalogs.

 

For fun I looked for a catalog for purchase, but it'll cost me more than my coin

 

btw, this is a great coin to get back into collecting with Stainless

 

There is a copy of part one (ancients) currently offered on VCoins for $75. Part two was world coins. The catalogs were not particularly nice and had relatively few illustrations. Catalogs for sales in the 70's were not the professional books we see today from the big auction houses. The price of this volume is mostly due to the Adams name and not the numismatic value of the contents. There are some old catalogs that are probably worth that much since they are, in effect, standard references on some speciality.